Little Busters - Game Discussion (Little Busters & Ecstasy!)

[kyosak]

Hmmm, I just got done with all the dungeon crawling nonsense in Saya's route. I realized just now that I followed the "baka Riki" version of the walkthrough instead of the normal one, lol... I'm hoping I don't have to start over from the beginning... This shouldn't affect the story should it?

I should have noticed something was not right after that whole pantsu scene and Riki adding tsukkomi to just about every other sentence throughout the route, rofl. Man Saya is such a funny character I guess selecting the dumb answers and falling into the same dungeon traps over and over again wasn't a complete waste of time... lol... Just crossing my fingers because I do NOT want to go through those dungeons again.

[Yaluen]

Originally Posted by kyosak

Just beat the game~

I NEVER cry watching movies or anime or reading a book but oh my god...

Spoiler for refrain:

Kyousuke/Masato/Kengo's departure scene

had me on the verge of bawling, LOL!

Refrain had me so damn confused until "that scene" but wow, all of the secrets were so unexpected to me; I guess I suck at picking up the hints through the routes, lol.

With that said, refrain made me a stronger believer in how weak the side characters were, lol. The epilogue scenes not involving the main 5 failed to affect me, though refrain convinced me that this is a very small issue! The male characters were so amazing~

Saya, Sasami, Kanata... Wonder which I should play first!

Of all my times watching anime and playing VN, that scene brought me the closest to shedding tears. The person that did Kyousuke's voice, Hikaru Midorikawa, really took the extra step in bringing out the emotions of that scene. It seriously convinced me that there needs to be more of a male supportive cast in VNs. I will forever regard Kyousuke as a Bro among bros, and probably THE true main character of the game.

[kyosak]

Originally Posted by Yaluen

Of all my times watching anime and playing VN, that scene brought me the closest to shedding tears. The person that did Kyousuke's voice, Hikaru Midorikawa, really took the extra step in bringing out the emotions of that scene. It seriously convinced me that there needs to be more of a male supportive cast in VNs. I will forever regard Kyousuke as a Bro among bros, and probably THE true main character of the game.

Completely agree with you there, Kyousuke was so amazing. I feel like crying every time I go back to the CGs and look at the scenes from refrain, LOL!

BTW, I went ahead and beat Saya's route using the "baka Riki" walkthrough, and I'm pretty sure I got the true end. Can someone help organize the ending for me? I'm still sort of confused >.<

Spoiler for Saya's route:

So was the whole dungeon crawling business stuff that Saya made up in her mind? I guess this was another one of those "many worlds exist through dreams" type of universe?

Saya disappeared to fight that final boss and Riki never saw her again (I assume she failed and died or something?), stacking the pyramid didn't lead to any dungeon after she disappeared. Then she moved onto a new world, met Riki again, and repeated the same thing over again to win? Was her motive all along to travel back in time? I don't really understand why Riki was so important for reaching the end, and the whole biological weapon thing...

EDIT:

Spoiler for Saya's route:

Has anyone read the Wikipedia article and the list of characters there? I just read the section on Saya's route and there was some stuff in there I did not catch at all playing the game, lol.

For instance...
"She was on the verge of death when she, by chance, noticed the artificial world Kyousuke has created and decided to enter it."
and
"Inside, she materialized as Saya Tokido, a character from Kyousuke's favorite manga, which incidentally happened to be her favorite as well, given to her by a Japanese tourist."

I never really picked up that Kyousuke was the final boss. I understood that she was playing out some kind of story from her dialogue with the boss but what was the point in going through the maze? The wikipedia article made Kyousuke sound like the bad guy, trying to deter Saya from getting closer to Riki and taking his mind off of his group of friends... So she was just a spirit wandering around in a dream world where she unintentionally fell in love? Why shoot herself in the head and leave?

Bah stupid little details driving me crazy ^^;

[Yaluen]

Originally Posted by kyosak

Completely agree with you there, Kyousuke was so amazing. I feel like crying every time I go back to the CGs and look at the scenes from refrain, LOL!

BTW, I went ahead and beat Saya's route using the "baka Riki" walkthrough, and I'm pretty sure I got the true end. Can someone help organize the ending for me? I'm still sort of confused >.<

Spoiler for Saya's route:

So was the whole dungeon crawling business stuff that Saya made up in her mind? I guess this was another one of those "many worlds exist through dreams" type of universe?

Saya disappeared to fight that final boss and Riki never saw her again (I assume she failed and died or something?), stacking the pyramid didn't lead to any dungeon after she disappeared. Then she moved onto a new world, met Riki again, and repeated the same thing over again to win? Was her motive all along to travel back in time? I don't really understand why Riki was so important for reaching the end, and the whole biological weapon thing...

EDIT:

Spoiler for Saya's route:

Has anyone read the Wikipedia article and the list of characters there? I just read the section on Saya's route and there was some stuff in there I did not catch at all playing the game, lol.

For instance...
"She was on the verge of death when she, by chance, noticed the artificial world Kyousuke has created and decided to enter it."
and
"Inside, she materialized as Saya Tokido, a character from Kyousuke's favorite manga, which incidentally happened to be her favorite as well, given to her by a Japanese tourist."

I never really picked up that Kyousuke was the final boss. I understood that she was playing out some kind of story from her dialogue with the boss but what was the point in going through the maze? The wikipedia article made Kyousuke sound like the bad guy, trying to deter Saya from getting closer to Riki and taking his mind off of his group of friends... So she was just a spirit wandering around in a dream world where she unintentionally fell in love? Why shoot herself in the head and leave?

Bah stupid little details driving me crazy ^^;

Following up on what I posted earlier and keeping in mind that I skimped through some stuff since I'm still studying Japanese,

Spoiler for Saya's route theory:

(S)Aya didn't want to die. I think she even says so herself, that she wanted to at least experience what it's like to be a normal person that didn't have to constantly be moving from place to place. Going to school, having a group of friends, and of course, falling in love. When she got caught up in that landslide and found the world Kyousuke created, (S)Aya found everything she wanted. Kyousuke didn't want her to get close to Riki because his overall grand scheme was already pretty delicate as it is, and any outside interferences might cause the entire dream sequence to collapse on Riki if too much gets revealed etc (keep in mind that Saya's route takes place before Refrain). But since the world was nothing but a dream, she can't really stay there forever, and Kyousuke knows that. So he tells her to kill herself as a way of getting out of the dream sequence and as a way to also get Riki out of the entanglement with her. But (S)Aya insists on pushing through and getting the time machine/whatever to go back in time, change her life, avoid death, or something. Without much choice, Kyousuke designs the dungeon for her to mess with and discourage her, and I think she realizes the futility of what she's trying to achieve at the very end, thus she finally pulls together to face death and shoots herself, leaving the dream. I think it turned out she got rescued from the landslide in the end, but see my previous post for more details on my theories on the ending.

...having skimped a little bit during the true ending sequence, take the previous post with my ending-theories with a grain of salt.

[kyosak]

Thanks for that, I think I've got it pretty clear in my head now. I guess missing the fact that

Spoiler for Saya:

Kyousuke is controlling everything

pretty much crippled my chances at grasping the main idea of the story, lol. That's what I get for using a text hooker to look up 単語 and playing with my limited Japanese... >.>

Saya was so funny and cute whenever Riki teased her this was probably my favorite individual route despite the confusion with the ending, lmao.

[Sterling01]

Saya's ending isn't that confusing...

Spoiler for Saya's route:

Since Kyousuke (The dude with the mask) has pretty much full control over the world they're in he could have made the treasure anything. So because Saya asked for a bio-weapon that's what he gave her. His talk with Riki after the credits about time machines and being able to see Saya again was probably just his way of cheering Riki up as having him depressed would have been the opposite of the world's objective. The scene with (S)aya waking up and telling her father about the dream she had (her route) and the "second" Riki was just another creation of Kyousuke's.

In other words she's alive as long as the world lasts and everything was Kyousuke's fault

[Yaluen]

Originally Posted by Sterling01

Saya's ending isn't that confusing...

Spoiler for Saya's route:

Since Kyousuke (The dude with the mask) has pretty much full control over the world they're in he could have made the treasure anything. So because Saya asked for a bio-weapon that's what he gave her. His talk with Riki after the credits about time machines and being able to see Saya again was probably just his way of cheering Riki up as having him depressed would have been the opposite of the world's objective. The scene with (S)aya waking up and telling her father about the dream she had (her route) and the "second" Riki was just another creation of Kyousuke's.

In other words she's alive as long as the world lasts and everything was Kyousuke's fault

Is that how it goes? Hmm...I like my theory better though

[Golden Witch Drugs]

Hmm... I was wondering one thing... How many different endings are there for each girl? (In the original LB)

Spoiler for Spoilers?:

I know that Rin has a good and bad ending and you have to complete all the other girls endings + Rins bad before you can get the good one. And I know there is a bad and good ending for Komari. And for Haruka, Yuiko and Mio as well... But I also heard there is a "muscle ending" for Kud, is that true? And are there even more endings than that? I was just wondering since I want to complete everything -.-

[Golden Witch Drugs]

And also, is there a walktrough for the ecstasy routes?

[Kudryavka]

Originally Posted by Golden Witch Drugs

And also, is there a walktrough for the ecstasy routes?

walkthrough for EX: http://g-seeker.net/game/r/lb/littlebusters_ex.html

[Golden Witch Drugs]

Originally Posted by Komari

walkthrough for EX: http://g-seeker.net/game/r/lb/littlebusters_ex.html

Thank you~ Now I can finally get through the EX routes... Finally... After that all I have to do is collect all the missing CGs (>v<)/

[Kudryavka]

I don't get any of the walkthroughs. They all tell you to make a bunch of save files, then load from each one to see every girl's route. Isn't there a walkthrough that just tells you the choices for a girl's route from Day 1 to her last day, then has you start a new game to use different choices from Day 1 to another girl's last day to see her route, etc.? The save and load system is really confusing.

[Klashikari]

The save and load type of walkthrough allow players to get through any game completely with the least amount of playthrough.
In many VN (LB included) a lot of flags from some routes don't impair in the slightest the conditions from another one (especially if there is a kind of priority in the flags).

Following the save and load way minimize the time you have to CTRL through the common route.

[Kudryavka]

OK, thanks, Klashikari.

[arkhangelsk]

Actually, this is the norm format of walkthroughs, most of which are not meant to allow you to find every last Easter-egg piece of text. Most games are at least 50% universal route, and generally the universal route isn't interesting enough to keep a player's attention through all the endings, even with minor variations. So a good walkthrough these days tries to navigate their readers towards getting all the Endings, then all the CGs, skipping as much of the mainstream route on the re-runs in the fastest way possible.

There's nothing confusing about it. You just follow through the walkthrough EXACTLY as said, making sure to SAVE after every option (use the Comments function to mark all the Walkthrough-recommended Saves). After getting all the CGs, you just go to your saves for every selection and try out the alternatives - they are not marked for a reason and within a few lines will just melt back into the same old story.

Alternatively, you can try the Flag data here and self-navigate:
http://g-seeker.net/game/r/lb/flag_ex.html

[sekihoutai]

I found this on the KEY website. All I understood was there is going to be a PS2 port. Could anyone translate the rest?

http://key.visualarts.gr.jp/info/2009/06/post_26.html

[Kudryavka]

Originally Posted by sekihoutai

I found this on the KEY website. All I understood was there is going to be a PS2 port. Could anyone translate the rest?

http://key.visualarts.gr.jp/info/2009/06/post_26.html

I can't translate it all, but I'll bet it's talking about Little Busters! Converted, a new port of Little Busters!. LB!Converted has all of the extra content of LB!EX, minus the pr0n. (LB + three new routes and hentai)-hentai =
It's the version that you'll get, sekihoutai, since you ordered the Key 10th Memorial Box. Of course, the one you get will be a PC version.

[sekihoutai]

Thanks but I already understood the PS2 port part. I wanted to know more on what else was mentioned on the news post. Since it mentions some other platforms and series. Sorry for being not clear on that.

[Leo_Otaku]

The other games aren't KEY they are other games that Prototype is releasing on different ports

[meh]

Just started this recently... Kind of a weird game, but in a good way. Not a fan of Key games in general but this one could be the exception.

As for the walkthrough format, surely you can easily translate the save/load format into your "individual heroine" format. Basically just re-write the walkthrough into a binary-tree. Then you can just then trace the tree for the particular route you wish to enter.