Higurashi Kai Episode 12 Discussion / Poll

[Kryptik]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

The problem is Hanyuu cannot have any physical interaction with anyone.


meh, i'm done with the usual essay
Episode 12: Analysis

kinda short considering the good chunk of truth. hope i didn't screw like last week

Just a note on your essay:

Spoiler:

Ooishi did give the time of death info out one other time than those three you noted. He informed Rena of the time of death as well in Tsumihoroboshi-hen, leading Rena to get paranoid about some kind of zombie or cloning thing, compounded by overhearing the authorities searching for her in the dump getting word that 'she was spotted by the grainaries'.

Originally Posted by Matrim

Spoiler for no idea why we are putting spoiler tags but just in case:

That does sound logical except for the bit where Keiichi's friends failed to inform him they were lying in order to create an alibi for him. It just seems to me this was added to create a bigger mystery but it's so very implausible.

Spoiler:

I don't think they ever had time to before they had to spring it out to avoid suspicion on Keiichi. By the time it had all been done and they were about to inform him, someone came about questioning them about it, forcing them to spit the alibi out in front of an already paranoid and afraid Keiichi.

[Matrim]

Spoiler for Tatarigoroshi solution theories:

I don't think they ever had time to before they had to spring it out to avoid suspicion on Keiichi.

Come on, the way it was presented in the anime, it seemed a piece of cake for one of the girls to wait for Keiichi in front of the school and inform him about the false alibi. Or do it quietly and quickly inside the school. As it happened, all Ooishi had to do was ask some of the other students, and if anyone reported that K1 was surprised that the girls claimed he had been at the festival, the case would have been pretty much closed.

[changeup]

Originally Posted by Matrim

Spoiler for Tatarigoroshi solution theories:

Come on, the way it was presented in the anime, it seemed a piece of cake for one of the girls to wait for Keiichi in front of the school and inform him about the false alibi. Or do it quietly and quickly inside the school. As it happened, all Ooishi had to do was ask some of the other students, and if anyone reported that K1 was surprised that the girls claimed he had been at the festival, the case would have been pretty much closed.

The following is only a speculation

Spoiler for Keiichi's behavior:

This series is famous for its manipulation of the viewer's perception of the world. Only the information seen by the main character of each arc was presented to the viewer, and we have no idea which was real and which was illusion by the character. Keiichi was obviously in L4 or L5 after his murder of Satoko's uncle. He would not have believed anything those girls saying to him because he somehow believed that it was a curse that caused all those inexplanable things. More than likely one of the girls told him that they were making alibi for him, but he (and all the viewers) had heard it otherwise...

[Klashikari]

This isn't only an issue with the delusions, but also a "subtle" way to not treat keiichi as a murderer.
Remember how keiichi asked Mion to make fall the curse on Teppei? this was rather an euphemism (and somehow rhetorical). Crudely, Keiichi could say "go order the murder, please".
The way how he tried to ask it was a way to not treat either himself or Mion as assassins.

This is quite the same. If the girls didn't try to explain to keiichi, it is rather a way to ease himself, as it might be quite a big deal if they begin to say "you killed him, but we will cover you".

In any case, considering keiichi's state, explaining the cover or not won't change anything.

Originally Posted by Kryptik

Just a note on your essay:

Spoiler:

Ooishi did give the time of death info out one other time than those three you noted. He informed Rena of the time of death as well in Tsumihoroboshi-hen, leading Rena to get paranoid about some kind of zombie or cloning thing, compounded by overhearing the authorities searching for her in the dump getting word that 'she was spotted by the grainaries'.

Oh yes indeed, the episode 25. My bad, i completely forgot the middle point of this arc *sigh*
thanks, i'm correcting it right away.

[changeup]

Spoiler for Hints:

Ah, I think you also have raised some good points. If Keiichi was mentally sane at that time, he would have taken the hints the girls had given him. Anyway he was already at the level that he would consider everyone around him conspiring against him. What a sad disease that is... //sigh

Originally Posted by Klashikari

This isn't only an issue with the delusions, but also a "subtle" way to not treat keiichi as a murderer.
Remember how keiichi asked Mion to make fall the curse on Teppei? this was rather an euphemism (and somehow rhetorical). Crudely, Keiichi could say "go order the murder, please".
The way how he tried to ask it was a way to not treat either himself or Mion as assassins.

This is quite the same. If the girls didn't try to explain to keiichi, it is rather a way to ease himself, as it might be quite a big deal if they begin to say "you killed him, but we will cover you".

In any case, considering keiichi's state, explaining the cover or not won't change anything.


Oh yes indeed, the episode 25. My bad, i completely forgot the middle point of this arc *sigh*
thanks, i'm correcting it right away.

[Theo]

Spoiler for Higurashi ep 12:

A little bit off topic here, but I had a thought about Rika's suspicions of Takano. If Rika wanted to know if Takano was the true culprit, why not use Hanyuu as a spy?

I mean, she's invisible, she can pass through walls, listen in on conversations, and could report
back to Rika as soon as she heard anything damning on Takano or Irie. She's perfect for the job!

[The Bloodlust Kid]

Originally Posted by Theo

Spoiler for Higurashi ep 12:

A little bit off topic here, but I had a thought about Rika's suspicions of Takano. If Rika wanted to know if Takano was the true culprit, why not use Hanyuu as a spy?

I mean, she's invisible, she can pass through walls, listen in on conversations, and could report
back to Rika as soon as she heard anything damning on Takano or Irie. She's perfect for the job!

Spoiler:

What if Hanyuu is limited in range? Such as she might not be able to go further than 100 feet away from Rika.

[SeventhHS]

Originally Posted by The Bloodlust Kid

Spoiler:

What if Hanyuu is limited in range? Such as she might not be able to go further than 100 feet away from Rika.

Doesn't fit with what happened to Rena in Ibaraki.

[Klashikari]

the problem with Rena is that she is so broken at that time there isn't any possible way to say if it was really hanyuu who stalked her.

[GyroidFanatic]

Originally Posted by Theo

Spoiler for Higurashi ep 12:

A little bit off topic here, but I had a thought about Rika's suspicions of Takano. If Rika wanted to know if Takano was the true culprit, why not use Hanyuu as a spy?

I mean, she's invisible, she can pass through walls, listen in on conversations, and could report
back to Rika as soon as she heard anything damning on Takano or Irie. She's perfect for the job!

I heard it's something that's explained in the next arc

[Guido]

The dark secrets of Hinamizawa have finally been disclosed by Rika-sama.

This series is so beautifully dramatic because it is not the detective scope within the storyline that delivers the developments. No, the them aims about trust.

Amidst of a bewildered and tumultous setting of paranoia and distrust where conceit and apprehension lurk at every corner trust is tested to its limits.

I empathize with Rika for not wanting to drag everyone else within that swirling whirlwind of madness and death, but it was her concern and fears that finally made the Hinamizawa Scoobies to choose for themselves to heed and attend her call for help whether she wished for it or not.

The dark secrets were nicely and scientifically explained by the words of Rika.~nipa

Spoiler:

Now another plot question continues to remain unanswered:
Why is Takano doing this?
Why she intended to kill Tomitake (and I must assume) and gave the order to kill Irie?
What benefit would she be earning with her executing "it"?

I knew it, finally, that the bitch was up to no good. Always ever suspect those who are kind with you that opened up just out of the blue.

Takano is a monster, the real monster.

Do Rika and the Hinamizawa Scoobies have no chance, if they have any to start with, now that Oishi and Kuma have been wiped off from this Hinamizawa?

If Rika was terrified and worried, why would not she had contacted for other allies? More people whom she can safely trust, for example, like Akasaka who came to visit Hinamizawa at the start of this arc?

It is so frustrating witnessing how the unscrupulous and amoral adults are winning.

[Sterling01]

Don't badmouth Takano she's just doing her job

[Trogdor Jube]

Im sure there is more to it then it just being her job.

[Sterling01]

I meant as a villain

[Cardiac Glycoside]

Truth be told, I've been waiting for Oishi to die. He gets off lucky too many times while everyone else gets the shaft.

But now that I've seen it, I feel kinda sorry for him....

[Rias]

There are reasons why Takano has to take certain steps in order to move on to her plan...actually they have already mentioned one of the influencial person's name in the 2nd season...kinda hard to catch unless you know the name beforehand

Hint: Something to do with the organization she belongs to

[Mr Fist]

Just out of curiousity, when will episode 13 air?

[MarthX]

Monday if it doesn't get delayed.

[MrZombie]

Originally Posted by MarthX

Monday if it doesn't get delayed.

I don't see why it would be. If done right it should be the most violent and hard to watch episode of the series. Why would they cancel it because of that?

[Mystearika]

i really hope they do not cancel it

i am looking so forward to it

its getting so exciting