(L) Koi Kaze

[Z13LAZARUS]

Sorry for posting something so off-topic, but where are you guys getting the raw mangas? I checked out the "Where to buy manga" thread but it seemed to be mostly licensed stuff. I dont know a lick of written Japanese though...

Thanks

[Yxy]

The ending :

SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER

Spoiler:

So they carve their family names on that tree.
And they agree to come to the amusement park again in a year's time.
However, before that, a few men were talking about chopping down the row of trees and closing the park.
Did the two lovers know of this?
If not, the message will be that their relationship has no future at all...
The way I see the ending is that : they continue their affair secretly for as long as they can. Is this what you guys think?

[Broccoli]

Originally Posted by Yxy

The ending :

SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER

Spoiler:

So they carve their family names on that tree.
And they agree to come to the amusement park again in a year's time.
However, before that, a few men were talking about chopping down the row of trees and closing the park.

Good catch. I didn't make the connection until I was going through it a second time while preparing my script.

Spoiler:

And one of the suits was their father.

Did the two lovers know of this?

Obviously not.

Spoiler:

If not, the message will be that their relationship has no future at all...
The way I see the ending is that : they continue their affair secretly for as long as they can. Is this what you guys think?

Many consider this an 'open ending', and it's up to each individual viewer to decide what happens next.

[Broccoli]

Originally Posted by Z13LAZARUS

Sorry for posting something so off-topic, but where are you guys getting the raw mangas? I checked out the "Where to buy manga" thread but it seemed to be mostly licensed stuff. I dont know a lick of written Japanese though...

I have been trying to ignore this, fearing that replying to it might get myself plonked. I tried PM but you have that turned off. Anyway...

You are not telling us where you are. Assuming you are in the U S of A, most major cities have a Japanese bookstore or two. Kinokuniya Bookstores of America has stores all along the west coast from Seattle to Los Angeles, and NYC, and a few even have this title in stock, or it can be special ordered. Otherwise, you can try ordering from their website. You can also try amazon.co.jp, which has a half-assed, semifunctional English interface that assumes you are a gaijin in Japan shopping for English books.

Direct URLs:

Kinokuniya BookWeb
Volume 1 Volume 2 Volume 3 Volume 4
Looks like they are all in stock.

Amazon.co.jp
Volume 1 Volume 2 Volume 3 Volume 4

Good luck.

[Devin]

Is Koi Kaze's 13 episodes including the missing one?

[fairx]

Originally Posted by Broccoli

Good catch. I didn't make the connection until I was going through it a second time while preparing my script.

Spoiler:

And one of the suits was their father.

Obviously not.
Many consider this an 'open ending', and it's up to each individual viewer to decide what happens next.

Watching ep 11 (10 from a-s title) and then 12 with chinese subs (which i cant understand at all), going to ep 13 which broccoli translated, left me in awe admiring their tough relationship... i felt sorry for them tho..

Spoiler:

even Nanoka suggesting they end their relationship commiting suicide...(which i cannot compromise at all at any rate - in my belief), I respect Koushiro's will to live and face the consequences.

Again when they decided to revisited the birthplace of their love, sneaking until theyre completely left alone to enjoy complete freedom from regulations and rules, praying for something impossible to happens..I tought that was soo cool!

BTW, i think prior to the hidden message that their relationship has no future, I tought, since their father is the contractor(?) of the new Mall, he did mentioned about the tree need to be wiped out.. Will he found out about the carving? (even tho they only carve their family name..

BUT....!

when I got myself the a-s subs, it turns my point of view completely 180 degree! All I can see is, Its Koushiro's fault all the way from the beginning. He's weak. Heart and minds.

Spoiler:

They are couple (if not dozens) of chances that he could turn the situations back on its course.. but in the end he decided not to! I fully understand that "the age of consent" in Japan is 13, still, i fully agree with Chidori, Nanoka is still naive (exactly in the case of incest) and cannot value the situation in full grip.

Which come to my "second" opinions of the final episodes..

Spoiler:

I am willing to give them a green to commit suicide, (regardless of my belief..) coz it will finish everything.. tho suicide is a sin, but considering they are Japanese (no offense) which historically, and spiritually, aren't that religious, then they can go to hell with peace.

But I suspected that Koushiro still wanted to squeeze it to the last juice of their relationship :fingers: ... KUSO!!!!!! (but... what makes with the "kuma" fingering scene?)

The way I see it, the relationship is not gonna last long, just like the hints about promises and love umbrella carving.

Its the end of the forbidden love. Its just a case of "Genetic sexual attractions" http://www.geneticsexualattraction.com/

Nevertheless, Koi Kaze is a remarkable piece of anime. But I'm surprised there are no referral to GSA phenomenon in the entire series (did I missed something?).

13 episodes, 2 main char, plus 6 more as support, the show is brilliantly written and developed. Towards the end of the series, i began to understand the role of Koushiro and Nanoka friends. They are actually the missing part of themself. They show us comparatively the state of mind, desire and sometimes the dark side of Koushiro and Nanoka, in the most refined style.

Not to mentioned the music!! Awesome, it builds the right moods and feeling. And I respect the the opening sequence of Koi Kaze. Simple yet it gave the wierd sense of romance atmosphere. And the hints of the series are obvious toward the end of the OP. man.. I wish someday I can produce something as good as this one!

This show will always be remembered, (at least by me..) despite (and might be for) the much controversial storyline, I hope It will be the turning point for the society to realize the importance of further studying GSA and the countermeasure to prevent them. I have no objections regarding what kinda hell of relationships that happens in anime, but its saddens me if such things happens to people around me.

Thank God.. I have no sisters.. and my niece all live saperately wayyyyy... from me! LOL

[kaitou_candy]

this anime is not my cup of tea. coz i dun like incest -___-;;;

anyhow is pretty nice...but umm..is just wrong..i just watched ep 11.. and i can't believe what they did.. anyhow.. so yea

i hope the ending is sad and they break up, becoz of multiple reasons =)

sorry...

[Mr.Minou]

hm just to be sure... I don't remember well but, they are 100% blood related right ? same mother and father right ?

[catcat]

yup. same mother and father. 100% blood related.

[Zap]

Originally Posted by Broccoli

Okamura Akemi 岡村明美 - VA of Chidori Kaname 千鳥要

Chidori was the co-worker, right? Hmmm, with a different haircut she'd actually look a bit like the character.

[Zap]

Whoops, hit the reply too quickly... more thoughts as I was reading this thread...

"anime, where no taboo is sacrosanct"

"all your repressed belong to me"

[Sour-Do]

Originally Posted by catcat

yup. same mother and father. 100% blood related.

Hm, it's fairly probable from the hospital scene in the unaired episode 7.5 that Nanoka's birth parents are the mother and father. But has anyone else considered that Koushiro might have been adopted? As far as I can tell from the anime, there's nothing to overrule this possibility, is there? (There's nothing to support this either.)

-- Sour-Do
Anime Muyou!

[evil|plushie]

-_- That's a pretty far out theory....

[Broccoli]

Got bored, so decided to look up who the mangaka was. Found this on the web: 吉田基已さんのプロフィール, the translation of which I am posting here.

(All names follow the Japanese convention of family name first.)

Profile of Yoshida Motoi

Sources:
Morning Online, Morning 1999 Issue 23 and self-declaration from the author, etc.

Yoshida Motoi
Female, born in 1976, currently residing in Kyōto.

Award history:
4th Manga Open
Received the "Watase Seizō Award" under the <Jury's Special Award Category>.
Award-winning work: Water and Silver

Comment from Watase Seizō

Each character has his/her own drama in itself, and the life-sized love of young people is expressed to the fullest. It can even reach a higher level if a bit more work/pep is put into the last scene.

Appeared in Morning 1998 Issue 43 published by Kōdansha

Created 2000.04.08; Last updated 2004.01.31 Copyright(C)Sanisani 2004 All rights Reserved

Note: Morning is one of Kōdansha's many comic magazines. Like Afternoon and Evening (in which Koikaze is being serialised), it's targeted at older readers.

(Many thanks to my sister Latte for helping with the translation.)

[Leviathan926]

Originally Posted by fairx

Watching ep 11 (10 from a-s title) and then 12 with chinese subs (which i cant understand at all), going to ep 13 which broccoli translated, left me in awe admiring their tough relationship... i felt sorry for them tho..

Spoiler:

even Nanoka suggesting they end their relationship commiting suicide...(which i cannot compromise at all at any rate - in my belief), I respect Koushiro's will to live and face the consequences.

Again when they decided to revisited the birthplace of their love, sneaking until theyre completely left alone to enjoy complete freedom from regulations and rules, praying for something impossible to happens..I tought that was soo cool!

BTW, i think prior to the hidden message that their relationship has no future, I tought, since their father is the contractor(?) of the new Mall, he did mentioned about the tree need to be wiped out.. Will he found out about the carving? (even tho they only carve their family name..

BUT....!

when I got myself the a-s subs, it turns my point of view completely 180 degree! All I can see is, Its Koushiro's fault all the way from the beginning. He's weak. Heart and minds.

Spoiler:

They are couple (if not dozens) of chances that he could turn the situations back on its course.. but in the end he decided not to! I fully understand that "the age of consent" in Japan is 13, still, i fully agree with Chidori, Nanoka is still naive (exactly in the case of incest) and cannot value the situation in full grip.

Which come to my "second" opinions of the final episodes..

Spoiler:

I am willing to give them a green to commit suicide, (regardless of my belief..) coz it will finish everything.. tho suicide is a sin, but considering they are Japanese (no offense) which historically, and spiritually, aren't that religious, then they can go to hell with peace.

But I suspected that Koushiro still wanted to squeeze it to the last juice of their relationship :fingers: ... KUSO!!!!!! (but... what makes with the "kuma" fingering scene?)

The way I see it, the relationship is not gonna last long, just like the hints about promises and love umbrella carving.

Its the end of the forbidden love. Its just a case of "Genetic sexual attractions" http://www.geneticsexualattraction.com/

Nevertheless, Koi Kaze is a remarkable piece of anime. But I'm surprised there are no referral to GSA phenomenon in the entire series (did I missed something?).

13 episodes, 2 main char, plus 6 more as support, the show is brilliantly written and developed. Towards the end of the series, i began to understand the role of Koushiro and Nanoka friends. They are actually the missing part of themself. They show us comparatively the state of mind, desire and sometimes the dark side of Koushiro and Nanoka, in the most refined style.

Not to mentioned the music!! Awesome, it builds the right moods and feeling. And I respect the the opening sequence of Koi Kaze. Simple yet it gave the wierd sense of romance atmosphere. And the hints of the series are obvious toward the end of the OP. man.. I wish someday I can produce something as good as this one!

This show will always be remembered, (at least by me..) despite (and might be for) the much controversial storyline, I hope It will be the turning point for the society to realize the importance of further studying GSA and the countermeasure to prevent them. I have no objections regarding what kinda hell of relationships that happens in anime, but its saddens me if such things happens to people around me.

Thank God.. I have no sisters.. and my niece all live saperately wayyyyy... from me! LOL

wow thats a really deep analysis. you took it from a scientific standpoint. about GSA and all... I looked at it from a literary point of view. like the metaphors and foreshadowing going on in the movie. haven't finished watching it like you have, so i won't comment on anything; but the most obvious motif seen in the series is the teddy bear. The exhange of that shows role reversal; and that's a predominate motif in the story.

Dynamic character development is what's intriuging as well as the transferance of roles/behaviors. great drama flick in the final episodes. but Kimi ga Nozomu Eien is still my favorite.

[Bullsquat]

I haven't seen all the episodes but I did watch the ending in its entirety because I was just that curious. This is by far, the most shocking anime I've ever seen. It left me feeling uncomfortable the rest of the night. This is coming from a guy who loves the shoujo-ai genre.

Another fine example of how boundless anime is. They sure know how to push your buttons.

[TronDD]

Originally Posted by fairx

But I'm surprised there are no referral to GSA phenomenon in the entire series (did I missed something?).

Did you miss the whole series? The whole thing was an illustration of GSA. Just becaues it was never directly spoken about by the characters doesn't mean it wasn't there.

Originally Posted by fairx

I hope It will be the turning point for the society to realize the importance of further studying GSA and the countermeasure to prevent them.

Or accept it.

I have no problem with sibbling romance. I would just hope they'd be responsible enough to not conceive children since it would be rather unfair to them, given the chances of bad genes becoming dominant.

EDIT: Here's an interesting statement about the criminalization of incestuous conception and genetic risks:

"Genetic experts argue that the chances of having a genetically damaged child are less than those of a woman over 40 having a Downs child- and “you don’t prosecute women over 40 for getting pregnant”. "

[Devin]

Now that I finished the series, I have several questions and afterthoughts, feel free to discuss about them!

#1. What do you guys think is the moral of this anime's story? Is it about handling self-control/willpower, is about "love should not be discriminated?", "you should not love your sibiling that way, or you will have no happy future"?

#2. Do you think Koshiro would have fell in love with Nanoka even if they didn't meet by chance in the first episode and developed that bond in the ferris wheel? Meaning, he never met Nanoka until she moved into their father's house, then would the Genetic Sexual Attraction theory still apply?

#3.

Spoiler:

Do you think Koshiro at least used a condom in episode 11? If he did not, then that's just totally despicable. I mean I can understand if he just kissed her, but it was just unforgivable to take advantage of Nanoka's feelings for him by sleeping with her, and to not even consider safe sex... He knew it was wrong to do it in the first place, and Nanoka being so young(yes even though Japan is liberal about sex), she's still only 16 years old for Christ's sake. I mean, what if she gets pregnant, being still in high school and all? After that episode, I totally lost any form of sympathy for Koshiro, all I have is loathing for him now.

[TronDD]

#1: I think the series focused more on what love is. Koshiro had never known real love "from the bottom of his heart" and had troubles dealing with those feelings once he did have them. The fact that it's his sister is just another wrench in the gears. It makes you weigh the good and bad between 'a man finding true love' and 'a man in love with his sister'. Was it a good thing or a bad thing for him?

The show wsan't so much about: "is incest right or wrong?"

The show also did a good job of not showing just what could happen to a couple in that situation. His co-worker spoke her mind but she still wished him the best. No one else knows about it. The show stayed pretty neutral and just left it up to the viewer (the park and trees slated to be removed, the scene with their mother, etc)

#2: No idea. That's interesting because he first enjoys her company without knowing their relation. If he know of it first, would his rational mind, already with the idea "incest is wrong", block his affection? Once you do have feelings for someone, will anything stop them?

#3:

Spoiler:

I kinda of feel the same way about that event as you do. It bothers me. However, I don't think you can really say he took advantage of her. I didn't see her complain about it.

Your (and my) issues with that event are your own personal opinions. In the real world, 16 year old girls have sex for less. And he loves her more than a 16 year old boy would.

[Devin]

Originally Posted by TronDD

#3:

Spoiler:

I kinda of feel the same way about that event as you do. It bothers me. However, I don't think you can really say he took advantage of her. I didn't see her complain about it.

Your (and my) issues with that event are your own personal opinions. In the real world, 16 year old girls have sex for less. And he loves her more than a 16 year old boy would.

Spoiler:

It's still true that he loves her. Even though she didn't complain, and it was consentual, she still lost her innocence and purity nevertheless, and in such a young age too. I think pedo bothers me more then incest heh...