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Double checked stadias, from start to complete fade takes 35 frames for Tre and Sette.
Zest uses the star version of disapearing into the horizon, and he reaches that in 17 frames. Last edited by Keroko; 2008-04-09 at 14:27. |
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Of course, it is excusable to skip it if circumstances don't allow it (it is potentially excusable to skip most forms of recon and pray for the best in time-limiting situations). But since Nanoha is supposed to be faster than the helo (according to Keroko), she should have time to do this, and given that it is the team's first job, they need every edge of predictability and control - which comes from doing all forms of recce. What we should have seen is Nanoha leaving the bulk of the briefing to Rein and moving ahead to conduct her recon before her unit's first commitment. That she might get interrupted by the drones is another matter. Effort and process, not necessarily results, are being evaluated. Quote:
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Start of Star: 17272 Total fade of star: 17284 17 frames untill Zest disapears into a star, 12 more untill the star dissapears. A total of 29 frames. But remember, star signifies 'target has passed beyond horizon' in animation terms. Quote:
Now, I don't know much about the millitairy, but last I recall going out by yourself wasn't exactly the smartest of moves in the army. Now its a must? But the fact that is that its not full power. Quote:
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Right. Now a serious answer please. I'm using the DVD encodes from Coldlight, just so you know. |
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Of course, commander's reconaissance is not riskless, but a commander risking his butt is better than him making a mistake in judgment and sending his whole unit (which includes Commander) into the maw of the same sniper, no? It is kind of like whether a commander should command his tanks with his head out or buttoned up in his tank. Of course, the latter is safer for him individually, but he usually also sees a lot less with those vision blocks and thus his ability to control the battle decreases. If they run into an ambush, he dies anyway with his whole unit. Thus, it is considered preferable to have heads out unless there's a reason (obviously, if arty is falling you button up). Quote:
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Now, I wasn't really joking about these two answers as their brevity makes it seem. One possibility is that it was magically bonded to the head so it doesn't fly off as easily. The other possibility is that the barrier automatically wraps around the hat and helps keep it from flying off. Quote:
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The problem though, is that it's not always practical or feasible to do so. For example, Iraq; raids on terrorist safehouses rarely have the time for a Commander's Recon, simply because there's not enough time to deploy even a recon platoon - again, as ark has admitted, when you're limited by time, you're limited by time. That said it's not totally useless or unused - Commander's Recon was much practised during WW2 - Patton surveyed Kasserine Pass, McAuliffe checked the 101st's defensive positions in the Battle of the Bulge. It depends from situation to situation. From what I recall reading, Commander's Recon is, as with most things, practised where practical. Quote:
Having said that... it must be admitted that for the tankers, seeing their commander in his tank barreling across the desert, thundering "FOLLOW ME!" is a most uplifting and morale-boosting scene. It certinly worked for Moshe Dayan and the Israelis.
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1) Finished briefing and moved ahead for the recce. 2) As she moves in for the recce or as she's doing the recce, they detect the Type II drones. 3) She breaks off the recce to engage. 4) The Forwards are now forced to go in without recce. 5) Erio runs into Type III. Quote:
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That fact that we don't see anyone using their computers in flight would tend to suggest there's a good reason for no MFDs or HUDs in combat.
Or it's TSAB zeitgeist again. :P
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Those screens can be used in flight. In ep2's flashback, when Fate was flying out with Ginga during the airport fire, a screen popped up to report that Nanoha had rescued Subaru already.
And, considering how much of their spellcasting is managed by their devices, I don't think you can say they don't use computers in flight. |
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Which begs the question: when do they use Voice-Only, and when do they use vidcoms? Or is it preference? Cos in Episode 1 and 3, Nanoha still airborne during the rescue effort used both in-flight, telcomms with Nameless Operator #37 in Episode 1, and vid with Hayate in the later one.
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But said reason is not the reason why animators do it. Yes, and she caught up, concidering both of them fade at the exact same frame. This tells us one of two things: Either Sette is faster then Tre using Ride Impulse, or Tre was not using Ride Impulse yet. Concidering the former is riduculous, the later is far more likely. Quote:
The scenario with Nanoha went as followed: - Team dipatches via heli. - Detailed analysis of the situation is made by Long Arch, they know enough to determine that the target container has not been breached yet. - Type-2 aerial drones appear, surprising the Long Arch. Nanoha and Fate provide cover for the unprotected heli - Rein briefs the forwards and anounces she'll join them - Forwards deploy So you see, there was no time for a recon, as the group was caught almost by surprise when the drones arived before the briefing had even occured. Quote:
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Ah well. Oh by the way, I'd like to point out the vidcam is actually in the screen, no to the side like we are used to. This is why when the characters talk facing the screen, the other side sees it as facing directly at them.
Useless trivia FTW.
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If a vidcam is on voice only does it say "VOICE ONLY" on it? Just some minor things I need to know about the workings of those screens for Arc-en-Ciel (Though how exactly they pop into existence anywhere is beyond me...)
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2008-04-10, 10:20 | Link #1157 |
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Well... True But I was also wondering how they exactly work. Like can only mages make them pop up anywhere? Or do they just pop up when like sent or...?
Its something that I need to figure out since I don't know if Varistans could actually access them.
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2008-04-10, 11:37 | Link #1160 |
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Meh, just follow the pearls of wisdom that were granted to me by my former-Marine source: "If it works, it works, be happy, and let the armorer worry about the fine details." Course, he was talking about the M16
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