Hayate no Gotoku manga (raw discussion only)

[Teleutao]

I always just thought that Hayate ended up in the Royal Garden because it fit the purposes of the plot. I mean, he traveled back in time for one chapter and it didn't even phase him, so I'd say that we can put it under weird stuff just happening to him all the time. I'm sure Hata will give us a story-related explanation but until then I'm just going to leave it at that.

As for a Nagi end, I can see Hayate being her butler (as sad as the implications are) but not in a romantic light. For one thing, Hayate has on many occasions expressed that he does not and will never feel that way. For another, others have commented that it would make him a pedophile "and that would be bad". Besides, character development since those early chapters seems to be putting Hayate and Nagi in a more brother-sister role, which is a REALLY good thing if they actually are related in some way.

I also think I figured out why I don't like Athena. It's actually really simple, while I thought that the End of the World arc was sweet at first, I always picture myself interacting with a character. The thought of me dating Athena is terrifying when I think about it and I would definitely refer to her as my 'psycho ex girlfriend'. Holy crap, I just had a good idea...maybe things end well with Hayate's meeting with Athena, and then the others find out. Now, before they explode they are smart enough to ask why they split up and Hayate tells them, probably in a really abridged manner. Something like "Well, my parents did something bad, so she didn't want me to ever leave the castle again, then I said something stupid and she got really mad at me and attacked me with a lethal weapon and summoned a demon that almost killed me." The looks on all of their faces when they try to imagine why Hayate would want to go back to her would be priceless, and I see a lot of them trying to 'help' him, thinking that Athena might not be so good for him. It wouldn't have to be that way, but I think it would be really funny to see something like that.

[Rah]

Decided to spoiler text everything, cuz it's too long.

Spoiler for GDB1:

Originally Posted by GDB

If I recall, it's a flashback provided by Wataru's mother. Could be mistaken, been a while since I saw it.

Okay, how about she was jealous of Yuki & Hayata's bro, thus she cursed her, or used some sort of slow poison that made her illness look like a disease? Since it's Hayata's brother, he has the same, if not more charms than Hayate himself. And we know what kind of harem Hayata has (even though unknowingly, except for 1 girl, or 1 and a half).

Spoiler for Opace1:

Originally Posted by Opace

I disagree. Although there is a chance Hayate might up with the other Heroines, Nagi will still be the "First Girl Wins", as you described it. There were many signs to vouch for this in the much earlier chapters and I doubt Hata is shallow enough to be goaded from his earlier plans and whatnot to give the fans what they want. I'd say this manga, if let to run its full course, would be under half-way at the moment (maybe not even near half-way). Yes, that does give the heroines to push for Hayate more, it also gives Hayate a chance to stop and think seriously about his love life. This is shown when Hayate states his feelings for Athena seriously in front of Hinagiku.

He forgot his place as furniture. USELESS!

Originally Posted by Opace

Whilst I do agree Nagi is a tsundere, she is much less so than the earlier chapters; her behaviour has been quite shaped by Hayate as time passes. Instead of actually borderlining Maria as "Yamato Nadeshiko", I would say she is just based around it with flaws inserted to make it much more interesting for us (which doesn't really make it a Yamato Nadeshiko but..). Athena is indeed a Yandere, but not in the brutal murder fashion many people believe yandere to be. Never heard of a kuudere to be honest. Wataru is still yet to be debated on his Romance life. Right now, it's pushing for him to be with Saki at the end, but Sakuya and Isumi is still in there.

Nagi truly believes that Hayate loves her, from the initial misunderstanding. More than a complete tsundere, she looks more like Hina, and want's Hayate to make the first move, and she's certain that he loves her (unlike Hina). Looks mostly shy and gullible to me (believes that Hayate wont leave her, so she has all the time, but gets frustrated at times, and starts to doubt him since he wont approach her, or make any moves at all). Though she still believes that he will.

Originally Posted by Opace

I'm pretty sure Hayate was born from his parents. But I can't remember where they explained that, or perhaps it was just a figment of my imagination. But Hayate's older brother is not actually his blood-related brother. But still, let your incest imaginations run wild. ^^

Yeah, Hayate was, but his "brother"... Why won't Hayate even mention his name? He always refers to him as his older brother. Does he even know his name? I'm beginning to doubt that. It looks more and more like he's Himegami (alias, or real name if there's no relation between them) than Hayate's bro. Like I said, he's atoning for what happened with Yuki, or something similar.. (so basically Nagi fired her father!). Hahahaha! If it were to be true...

Spoiler for aldw1:

Originally Posted by aldw

On the other hand, following the typical pattern is no less shallow than being overly pushed by the fandom to doing what they want either, so what a writer needs to do is what makes for a good story at the very least.

I selfishly agree with this. If he has a unique story, he shouldn't model it with the suggestions of stereotypical fans (selfishly, because I don't know why would he do that. Perhaps to keep the manga afloat?).

Spoiler for Opace2:

Originally Posted by Opace

Not necessarily. Since he has already set hints and lines that could mean a significant amount in the much earlier chapters, that gives us a slight insight to what his eventual ending would be; something that integrates all those seemingly-less-important hints into something fabulous.

Yes, this does make the ending predictable but I've seen many storylines which I've predicted, but was still amazed at how they actually did it. I've also seen storylines that went to other heroines, but did it in a poorly fashion that didn't really connect the dots, making me slightly wondering as to why they even did so. And to be fair, I've seen a storyline that did deviate into another heroine at the very last moment and it seemed just as right as if he did pair up with the heroine. Its just a matter of how they do it, not really the end result.

How this relates to Hayate no Gotoku? Right now, I see the foundations for this set for Nagi and some for Hinagiku, Ayumu, and even Maria slightly. I'm guessing this really is the turning point of the manga as Hata hasn't really concentrated on building Nagi's "foundations" but more on the rest. If he doesn't really want Hayate X Nagi, then he should continue from now on the way he's been doing it (which I highly doubt, I think he will come back to Nagi eventually).

If he has somehow used hints for Nagi to hide it for another heroine in a devious manner, then props to him.


In any case, I'm giving Hata a lot of benefit of the doubt here. I want to see if he does live up to it. I'm not hugely worried about who Hayate pairs up with, I just want to see a fabulous storyline to go with it.

Perhaps.

We might see them as hints, but for him it might be just a way to please the fans, or to mislead us (Make everyone happy with doubts and hopes, then crush them with the original plan). He's evil I tellz ya!!! EVIL!!

Spoiler for Used Can1:

Originally Posted by Used Can

If I remember correctly, that's from chapter 208.

Kay, thanks.

Originally Posted by Used Can

It's certainly Nagi's mother. However, we do not know how the Hayate look-alike is. Whist one can theorise he may he Hayate's brother, that's not a certainty.

Doubt that it's someone else at this point. At least not without any hints, like he used for Athena. He placed an Athena pic in ch. 70-90 or something.

But anyway, just look at that smug expression on his face. It's sooooo obvious..... (lol)

Originally Posted by Used Can

Not necessarily. It still remains a fact she wasn't amongst Hayate's not-like-Athena list. That, and he did pull out all that strength when Machina tried to take that gem from him.

Certainly does cancel a love end, if they're related. Could always end with him just remaining her butler, or as a family member, though.

Originally Posted by Used Can

Yes, he does.

YOU LIE!

Originally Posted by Used Can

There's always the Netherlands.

Too bad that if considered, it would be regarded only as a joke. At least in this manga...

Spoiler for zodanhko1:

Originally Posted by zodanhko

I have to disagree. Unlike the typical yandere, Athena is always strong and speak of her mind if necessary, and she never act out of line. Her personality never really reflects what yandere known to be; and she even said. "You must have someone else," like she was backing away when thinking about Hayate.

She may be yandere in some degree but also tsundere from my perspective like Hitagi Senjōgahara.

Multiple Archetype Disorder. Hitagi is a self declared tsundere, and she definitely doesn't act like one, since she openly declared her love without a moment of hesitation, or embarrassment.

Spoiler for Used Can2:

Originally Posted by Used Can

Why is it female characters have always got to be classified as either tsundere, yandere, or any of those archetypes?

That's how it works. Throw in a bunch of girls with different archetypes, and one will surely please you. Thus, just because of that one girl it will appeal to you, and make you buy the product.

Spoiler for Opace3:

Originally Posted by Opace

Point taken. But, in my defence, I did say "not in the brutal murder fashion..." which, in psychotic terms, cuts off half the "definition" of yandere. I haven't watched that many animes (perhaps 5 at most) which features a yandere so I can't really talk about yanderes that much.

Still, she does have both yandere and tsundere features in my opinion. She is "tough", does have quite a violent side to her, treats somehow she loves harshly, yet still loves him. Its like combining some traits from each archetype whilst ignoring some.

She's missing a chainsaw. Ohhh, that would certainly make her look like Hime, from Princess Resurrection. They do look alike. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....

Originally Posted by Opace

Indeed. I just need this arc to be finished before I can decide where she can place my Heroine ranking table.

Hata is raggedly breathing in the screen fogging it up, when reading posts like this. _HE_ _IS_ _WATCHING_

Originally Posted by Opace

Any takes on whether Athena would accept Hayate again or perhaps she doesn't love him anymore or perhaps her pride won't accept Hayate once more? I personally go for rejection; it would make the story much more interesting but more dramatic. I just can't have drama with comedy, unfortunately.

Don't think she will, though she might still love him. But I think she would, if he gave up on Nagi, pledged eternal love & loyalty to her (again), and gave her the gem / helped her with attaining the rest. Imagine now Hayate vs Wataru & Maid in a battle for the gem. Weeeelllll... that wouldn't be much of a fight. Oh, well...

Spoiler for zpdanhko2:

Originally Posted by zodanhko

Like you said, the chance of Athena excepting Hayate in the next few chapters is slim to none but her feelings for him is undeniably still very strong. As of now, there is no doubt in my mind that nothing but pain and suffering for both will be resulted upon their second reunion. So if you want drama, you will most likely will your wish.
Regardless of the outcome, I just hope that she will at least smile again similar to the ones during in tEoTW arc.
(Edit: Really like her smile, so rare)

Yeah, I do love the drama.

Oh, and about her smile... here's a fanpic.

Spoiler for Just as planned!:

Spoiler for aldw2:

Originally Posted by aldw

If it does ever end up being the same-old-same-old, no matter how ingenious the presentation may be, then it still deserves to be put on the trash heap like all the others (Toradora and Love Hina, I'm looking at you). However, my impressions of the series indicate something else entirely.

An alternative approach logically executed is just much more preferable, of which Kinoko Nasu for example makes a better effort at.

Yup. That's what sells atm. That's what people want...

Taiga <3

Spoiler for Opace4:

Originally Posted by Opace

What I think will happen is that Hayate will refuse to give her the stone for without it Nagi would lose her inheritence. Nevetheless, Hayate still states his feelings for Athena. Athena, hearing this, would so love to state her true feelings as well but her pride and ambitions won't let her. From then on, it's unclear on what may happen.

Or he won't confess, but mainly apologize. Or perhaps there won't be an opportunity to do so, like there might be a misunderstanding or interruption (yeah, even though it's a serious arc). Or Athena might have something in store for him, like having kidnapped Nagi, like I mentioned a page or two back.

Originally Posted by Opace

I hope so, but I just can't imagine the older Athena smiling. Well I can but it must be quite charming.

See the pic above. Now imagine something more more twisted.

.........
.........

As for the gem, Hayate might have one with him at all times (like speculated). He probably isn't the son of Zeus, or are there any divinities in play (yeah, it's mentioned that they received punishment from god, but I don't think it's meant to be interpreted literally). If his brother is Himegami, he might know some sort of magic to merge it with him for safekeeping (too bad it was before Isumi could purify it). Heh.. who knows?


Teleutao: You just had to post before I concluded this, didn't you? Oh, well...

Spoiler for Teleutao1:

Originally Posted by Teleutao

I always just thought that Hayate ended up in the Royal Garden because it fit the purposes of the plot. I mean, he traveled back in time for one chapter and it didn't even phase him, so I'd say that we can put it under weird stuff just happening to him all the time. I'm sure Hata will give us a story-related explanation but until then I'm just going to leave it at that.

Yeah, I do hope that those events get explained with at least some logic behind them. Especially the time traveling part like you said.

Originally Posted by Teleutao

As for a Nagi end, I can see Hayate being her butler (as sad as the implications are) but not in a romantic light. For one thing, Hayate has on many occasions expressed that he does not and will never feel that way. For another, others have commented that it would make him a pedophile "and that would be bad". Besides, character development since those early chapters seems to be putting Hayate and Nagi in a more brother-sister role, which is a REALLY good thing if they actually are related in some way.

He might end with her that way, but I don't think anyone would like that. And Hata values greatly the opinions of his fans. He might go for a Hina end, or for the top ranked girl end. We still need to wait and see where Athena scores. Besides, things are still developing, and someone ranked poorly might surge up in the next 100 chapters, to become the new favorite.

The age difference between Nagi & Hayate is only 3 years. It could end with a time skip, or something. I can hardly call him a pedophile if it ends without a skip. What's the *cough* age of consent in GLORIOUS NIPPON (not like it matters in a manga like this)?

Originally Posted by Teleutao

I also think I figured out why I don't like Athena. It's actually really simple, while I thought that the End of the World arc was sweet at first, I always picture myself interacting with a character. The thought of me dating Athena is terrifying when I think about it and I would definitely refer to her as my 'psycho ex girlfriend'. Holy crap, I just had a good idea...maybe things end well with Hayate's meeting with Athena, and then the others find out. Now, before they explode they are smart enough to ask why they split up and Hayate tells them, probably in a really abridged manner. Something like "Well, my parents did something bad, so she didn't want me to ever leave the castle again, then I said something stupid and she got really mad at me and attacked me with a lethal weapon and summoned a demon that almost killed me." The looks on all of their faces when they try to imagine why Hayate would want to go back to her would be priceless, and I see a lot of them trying to 'help' him, thinking that Athena might not be so good for him. It wouldn't have to be that way, but I think it would be really funny to see something like that.

Get a spine, man! Athena is awesome! Just imagine the nights, alone in bed, keeping an eye open, listening to every sound... then the creaking of creeping footsteps.. slowly approaching... oh, and don't forget the axe, or bat, hitting the stairs, when going up.. cling... cling.. cling... cling.. cling, and then on the top it starts to slowly slide on the floor towards your room...

EHEHEHEHEHEHE!!!

Well, that's only based on your image, of her psycho. <3

Hayate is a masochist, and Athena isn't that messed up. He will save her in the end!!

Kay, I'm done! *bows to the audience*


P.S.

I'm not gonna check for mistakes. No wai!

[holyman282]

Dude though have you realised that in the manga Hata is obviously trying to play out Hayate and Nagi's relationship as that of motherly affection. It was even stated by Isumi's mum how similar Hayate looks like Nagi's mother. Even the anime's second season's second OP showed Nagi looking at Hayate and seeing her mother. To me they are trying to play out the fact that Nagi will eventually understand that the love she has for Hayate is merely mother daughter as strange as it may sound.

[Rah]

Originally Posted by holyman282

Dude though have you realised that in the manga Hata is obviously trying to play out Hayate and Nagi's relationship as that of motherly affection. It was even stated by Isumi's mum how similar Hayate looks like Nagi's mother. Even the anime's second season's second OP showed Nagi looking at Hayate and seeing her mother. To me they are trying to play out the fact that Nagi will eventually understand that the love she has for Hayate is merely mother daughter as strange as it may sound.

Certainly it may look that way, but I don't think that Nagi is looking for a replacement. She's not that immature, and knows that it's best to let go and move on. Hayate does resemble her mom to some extent, but just wait a few years till he starts growing a beard.

The anime has nothing to do with the manga. They can conclude it with the next season, and just make up an end, while the manga still continues.

And if I'm wrong, and she does want Hayate to act that role to somehow fill that hole in her heart, then let it be so. She will realize it's not right when she grows a little more, and end up in a different way (time skip Nagi-kun x Hayata-tan ending).

But besides any signs that she might look at him as the replacement for her mother, she does look at him as a man, and as a potential boyfriend / husband. Can't deny that.

Guess in the end it comes down to personal opinions...

Can't conclude this due to the lack of evidence.

Case closed.

[Opace]

Nice replies to today's discussion, Rah. Do I win for getting 4 spoiler replies from you? ;D

I agree with Rah, I don't think Nagi loves Hayate for the reason that he resembles something of a family figure to her. Also, someone above stated above that Nagi truely believes that Hayate loves her (can't remember who said it, my apologies). Whilst this may be true, I think she does or will explore the possibility that this may not be the case soon enough (especially when she hears about Hayate's declaration of love for Athena; I would LOVE to see her reactions, along with everyone else's).

Oh the drama; I love it.

[zodanhko]

Originally Posted by Teleutao

I also think I figured out why I don't like Athena.

At least, you finally admit yourself instead of proclaimed that you were once Maria and Athena's fan and switched to Hinagiku which humanly is very...unnatural by nature.

Originally Posted by Rah

Multiple Archetype Disorder. Hitagi is a self declared tsundere, and she definitely doesn't act like one, since she openly declared her love without a moment of hesitation, or embarrassment.

Well, Hitagi at first wanted to make Koyomi to confess but she failed and confessed to him instead. Both Athena and Hitagi have no trouble declaring their love but they have an altitude of being unapproachable, and they don't openly show their love easily after the confession which make them tsundere. Hitagi is more yandere than tsundere and Athena is more tsundere than yandere but their personalities are very interesting and unique.

[cheongzewei]

Yo

my second post here, since NO ONE here though of what i though of what will happen next.

Athena CONFRONTS HAYATE!

Hayate goes, A-tan.

Athena goes What do you want Hayate, and goes You took the power didn't you?

Then they will fight over the stone (with Athena not explaining why)

And then Hayate will use his butler killing blow (seeming to aim at Athena but is instead aiming towards the exit,) and runs away. Leaving him more depressed and with more questions then answers.

[Rah]

Originally Posted by Opace

Nice replies to today's discussion, Rah. Do I win for getting 4 spoiler replies from you? ;D

*ground trembles, sky darkens*

You, whom have gathered the 4 spoiler tags get 1 wish.

You have 5 seconds to reply.

*BLEEP*
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*wakes up* Oh, god damn alarm clock! *throws pillow*

Originally Posted by Opace

I agree with Rah, I don't think Nagi loves Hayate for the reason that he resembles something of a family figure to her. Also, someone above stated above that Nagi truely believes that Hayate loves her (can't remember who said it, my apologies). Whilst this may be true, I think she does or will explore the possibility that this may not be the case soon enough (especially when she hears about Hayate's declaration of love for Athena; I would LOVE to see her reactions, along with everyone else's).

Oh the drama; I love it.

Either she shatters on the inside, feeling totally betrayed, or she says that she understands, and she picked up the hints that he doesn't love her over time (actually she might be just confirming her fears & doubts)..

*After Nagi learns about their relationship. It's evening, and they're on a cliff similar to where her mom is buried, basking in the sunset*
Hayate: Ojou-sama, I...
Nagi: *turns her back towards him* I know, Hayate. And it's ok... you may go. From this moment on you are free from your duties as a Sanzen'in butler.
Nagi: *starts walking away...*

Spoiler for Ending 1:

Hayate: Arigato, Ojou-sama *part ways*

Spoiler for Ending 2:

*Hayate gets a flashback of all the time they've spent together. Through all the fun & sad things they went, all the now to be unfulfilled promises he promised her, and as his chest tightens, he gets a feeling of dread deep down inside. A similar feeling, and fear he experienced those 10 years ago... the fear of repeating the same mistake that long time ago. With his chest tightening more at each step she takes away from him.. Will he let her go? Will the same sorrowful existence that is his life continue on like THIS? Is it fate that binds him to the misery that is his life!? Just what does she mean to me!? As the flashbacks move ever faster the last image is her with the purest smile in the sunset fading away in the light... *Ah!* He understands... NO!! HE WON'T LET THE CHAINS OF DESTINY BIND HIM ANY FURTHER!!

**The song "Bless the little Queen" is playing now**

Hayate: !!! *dashes towards her, not letting go of that last image of her smile, drops on his knees and hugs her from behind tighter than ever before, not to lose her ever again!*
Hayate: Ojou-sama. No, Nagi! Even though you released me from my duties as your butler, I won't let you go! I DON'T WANT TO LET YOU GO!!
Nagi: *turns around facing him, her eyes filled with tears from the pain of the thought of losing him forever..* Hayate... *sobs*
Hayate: *now hugs her even tighter than before whispering in her ear those words she longed to hear for so long..*

Originally Posted by zodanhko

Well, Hitagi at first wanted to make Koyomi to confess but she failed and confessed to him instead. Both Athena and Hitagi have no trouble declaring their love but they have an altitude of being unapproachable, and they don't openly show their love easily after the confession which make them tsundere. Hitagi is more yandere than tsundere and Athena is more tsundere than yandere but their personalities are very interesting and unique.

We need more archetypes. Someone invent something from this mix, if it doesn't exist already! xD

Originally Posted by cheongzewei

Yo

my second post here, since NO ONE here though of what i though of what will happen next.

Athena CONFRONTS HAYATE!

Hayate goes, A-tan.

Athena goes What do you want Hayate, and goes You took the power didn't you?

Then they will fight over the stone (with Athena not explaining why)

And then Hayate will use his butler killing blow (seeming to aim at Athena but is instead aiming towards the exit,) and runs away. Leaving him more depressed and with more questions then answers.

That would totally discard all the buildup through all these chapters to this moment. What would be the point of the Hina date then? What meaning would all the things he went through have then?

I don't voice my personal opinion as an argument point often, but absolutely not! That can't happen, not in a thousand years!

[Used Can]

Originally Posted by Opace

Mostly because animated girls are modelled after an archetype, multiple archetypes, or a combination of archetypes as they appeal to a certain part of the audience. Hayate no Gotoku is quite good at this I reckon, Hata has multiple girls with different [mixed personalities]. This is seen in the Hayate no Gotoku popularity contest.

Originally Posted by Rah

That's how it works. Throw in a bunch of girls with different archetypes, and one will surely please you. Thus, just because of that one girl it will appeal to you, and make you buy the product.

I wasn't talking about the author, but about the fans. I don't think Athena has displayed any personality trait that would make her either a tsundere, yandere or any other of those *deres. I'm sure there must be an archetype, or a set of archetypes she must fall into, but I don't think she strongly represents any. Say, unlike Hina and Nagi who display blatant tsundere traits, I don't think Athena has displayed any sort of behaviour that would make her be classified under particular archetype.

[NaweG]

Originally Posted by Rah

Spoiler for Ending 2... edited for brevity:

Hayate: !!! *dashes towards her, not letting go of that last image of her smile, drops on his knees and hugs her from behind tighter than ever before, not to lose her ever again!*
Hayate: Ojou-sama. No, Nagi! Even though you released me from my duties as your butler, I won't let you go! I DON'T WANT TO LET YOU GO!!
Nagi: *turns around facing him, her eyes filled with tears from the pain of the thought of losing him forever..* Hayate... *sobs*
Hayate: *now hugs her even tighter than before whispering in her ear those words she longed to hear for so long..*

And what were those words?

Spoiler for Stop Now if You Know What's Good for You:

Hayate: Nagi... I finally found a store with some Pocky...

[Rah]

*completely edits post*


Tch.. nobody cared to reply to the pun I made.

Fine, fine, I'll get serious again, without any Spartans involved.

Originally Posted by NaweG

And what were those words?

I felt that they would lose value if they were written down. Listen to the song I suggested, and it should be enough.


Ah, so much free time, so little to do.... *sigh*

I hate weekends.

[Used Can]

That Sparta pic was funny, though.

[Opace]

@Rah:

That 2nd "ending" with Nagi will basically push Hayate into Nagi's ending without giving the other heroines a chance. On top of that, Hata will have a hard time getting Nagi and the rest of the heroines to go back to the Slice of Life/Comedy chapters once more, which is what a lot of fans want.

I actually wouldn't want that. There's still Hinagiku's, Maria's, Izumi's, Ayumu's past lives to be explored for their Romantic interest in Hayate. By pushing Hayate to Nagi, that'll probably destroy all of that.

Originally Posted by Used Can

I wasn't talking about the author, but about the fans. I don't think Athena has displayed any personality trait that would make her either a tsundere, yandere or any other of those *deres. I'm sure there must be an archetype, or a set of archetypes she must fall into, but I don't think she strongly represents any. Say, unlike Hina and Nagi who display blatant tsundere traits, I don't think Athena has displayed any sort of behaviour that would make her be classified under particular archetype.

She doesn't strongly represent most archetypes. That said, she's not a weak mix of some either; her personality is quite unique, naturally formed through her past with Hayate and her current situation. The fact that she has so much pull in the story at the moment AND her unique personality causes some fans to dislike her and this arc. But I love those unique personalities, and I think that it's not sudden that she became the centre of attention for a while.

Personally, I think Nagi and Hinagiku are different types of tsunderes, due to their characteristics.

[Rah]

Originally Posted by Opace

@Rah:

That 2nd "ending" with Nagi will basically push Hayate into Nagi's ending without giving the other heroines a chance. On top of that, Hata will have a hard time getting Nagi and the rest of the heroines to go back to the Slice of Life/Comedy chapters once more, which is what a lot of fans want.

I actually wouldn't want that. There's still Hinagiku's, Maria's, Izumi's, Ayumu's past lives to be explored for their Romantic interest in Hayate. By pushing Hayate to Nagi, that'll probably destroy all of that.

Yeah, I'm someone who likes things "in the moment". If the current arc were to abruptly end, that would be my Nagi ending. I'll write an Izumi or Hina end some other time, perhaps after a few chapters progress, or when I get into the mood for it. IMHO I don't want it to go back to what it was. I'd rather for it to stay as it is, or for the current arc to expand into multiple conclusive ones, ending possible love relations with the girls one after another. Of course each gets a solid amount of chapters to say her "goodbyes".. well, in terms of a Hayate love candidate.

Hmmm, perhaps that's too planned out like a blueprint, so it might be better to just mix everybody together in a huge event, or many smaller events with a big impact / significance.

Anyway, my point is that the comedy in HnG isn't what's attractive, but the relationships are.

I simply want more emotions displayed....


*Forgive the lack of a better term, but I'm sort of drowsy at the moment ^_^

Kay, Night~

[Opace]

On the topic of possible heroine endings, how many chapters do you think Hayate no Gotoku will reach, undisturbed, before it starts on its final arc with the decided Hayate X Heroine pair?

I think it'll reach something along the lines of ~380-420 chapters.

[Game8910]

Spoiler for over 9000 hours on photoshop:

[zodanhko]

Originally Posted by Game8910

Spoiler for over 9000 hours on photoshop:

Really nice.

Can't make one for myself...

[qwertyman]

Originally Posted by Used Can

I wasn't talking about the author, but about the fans. I don't think Athena has displayed any personality trait that would make her either a tsundere, yandere or any other of those *deres. I'm sure there must be an archetype, or a set of archetypes she must fall into, but I don't think she strongly represents any. Say, unlike Hina and Nagi who display blatant tsundere traits, I don't think Athena has displayed any sort of behaviour that would make her be classified under particular archetype.

Really? Not even with her first real appearance in the End of the World arc, where she went from "kiss me, Hayate!" to "I'M GOING TO KILL YOU!" in the span of a couple chapters?

Seems pretty yandere to me.

[zodanhko]

Originally Posted by qwertyman

Really? Not even with her first real appearance in the End of the World arc, where she went from "kiss me, Hayate!" to "I'M GOING TO KILL YOU!" in the span of a couple chapters?

Seems pretty yandere to me.

She had her reasons for being angry logically (harsh, but not to the extent of wanting him dead) unlike a typical yandere whom reason is only because of great obsession.

[Used Can]

Originally Posted by Opace

Personally, I think Nagi and Hinagiku are different types of tsunderes, due to their characteristics.

Ah... indeed. None of them are the hardcore type of tsundere either, since both of them are usually nice.

Originally Posted by Game8910

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Originally Posted by qwertyman

Really? Not even with her first real appearance in the End of the World arc, where she went from "kiss me, Hayate!" to "I'M GOING TO KILL YOU!" in the span of a couple chapters?

She was certainly angry, and she did go overboard, but that doesn't turn her into a yandere. To begin with, a yandere never let go of their love interest. They are obsessive. Athena and Hayate parted ways for about 10 years. That would never have happened had Athena been a yandere.