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10 out of 10: Near Perfect... | 1 | 2.86% | |
9 out of 10: Excellent... | 2 | 5.71% | |
8 out of 10: Very Good... | 9 | 25.71% | |
7 out of 10: Good... | 11 | 31.43% | |
6 out of 10: Average... | 3 | 8.57% | |
5 out of 10: Below Average... | 4 | 11.43% | |
4 out of 10: Poor... | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10: Bad... | 2 | 5.71% | |
2 out of 10: Very Bad... | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10: Torturous... | 3 | 8.57% | |
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2012-08-05, 10:03 | Link #21 | |
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Well these Vegans are afraid of death. Unlike those zombies at Ambat. If Fram is right about Zeheart valuing his soldier's lives he likely rescinded the suicide orders that has been in place since the beginning of the war.
Flit left the decision to Algreaus as he is the commander not Flit. Algreaus made a "take the third option" using the photon blaster of the Diva. He seems to imply it was part of Flit's plan. Take the base they win, lose the base blow it up. Seric was a slick negotiator. Asemu was right on the Second Moon coming to Earth. As someone sai there is a possibility of a Colony Drop depending the crazy Ezelcant has. Quote:
Shooting at a retreating military enemy is acceptable, to prevent them to rally back. It is shooting during an agreed ceasefire that is wrong. Kio manage to convince Flit not to shoot. |
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2012-08-05, 10:45 | Link #23 |
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Algreaus is probably looking at Flit during his more cool headed Commander days, which is why he believes it is Flit's plan (considering he is like his protege, and Flit in Gen 2 gave very insightful orders which got the job done.)
Rather now, Flit probably is still partially sane, although he loses his calm on the battlefield more as a old man. Which, is why at most times he doesn't speak much, but he snaps quite a lot recently, due to his own son and grandson angering him with their difference in ideals, and he loses his rational judgement. He isn't out of control though, because he still shows concern over his family even while fighting. He could either snap completely, or return to the more cool headed attitude he has after having another talk with his family. On the other hand, Asemu really felt left out during the X rounder squabbles. |
2012-08-05, 10:54 | Link #24 | |
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And not to mention his son ran off to become a pirate! And he never had any rational thinking when it came to the Veigan's to begin with |
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2012-08-05, 11:05 | Link #25 | |
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Yeah Asemu was really left out but atleast it was shown that he could actually disable/kill girard if only zeheart wasn't on his way. Super pilot FTW Kio is really so irritating now >< It seems that if you wan't a bad ass suit's potential to be wasted (Age-3, Age-FX) then let Kio be the pilot. Atleast Age-3 was shown to be used as a fighting machine, the Age-FX on the other hand is being used like an MS sized megaphone. Kio shouldn't be a pilot, he should be a rallyist. >< Flit and Asemu FTW!! Kicking ass while using old mobile suits!
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2012-08-05, 11:29 | Link #26 |
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Asem needs a protag-of-the-arc award. Not only the fact that he's holding his own amid all the X-rounder enemies, he doesn't make me facepalm as much as Flit and Kio.
I think what Algreus said was merely trying to remove his own doubts and convince himself about what he believed about Flit, rather than an indication that it was truly Flit's plan. |
2012-08-05, 12:10 | Link #27 | |
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Also attacking retreating enemies is a perfectly reasonable strategic move - it's actually taught way back in The Art of War in regards to when to give chase and when not to. Nothing low about it, especially if the other person is like Zeheart which is the commander, that makes him a high value target that could potentially mean more lifes being saved when you strike him down thus heavily damaging the enemies battle capacity by breaking their chain of command, could even potentially get the remaining soldiers to surrender. The pacifist stance of letting your enemy commander - whom is not going to surrender - regroup is actually the poorer choice here.
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2012-08-05, 12:14 | Link #28 | |
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...seriously, merging those two wouldn't exactly be the hardest thing ever. Just have Shanalua defect where she dies, then re-intro her later on. Heck, you can have both Girard and The Sister at the same time too. I also didn't expect Reina to get instagibbed. I mean seriously, writing in a character with backstory but no development for the purpose of getting killed off? Then again, Papaya also has green hair... |
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2012-08-05, 12:32 | Link #29 | |
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As Rau in SEED once said, "if you let your enemies run away, they'll come back with even bigger guns and attack you." Aside from other Gundam series, we see the same thing by the Vagans and the Federation suits so what makes Flit so special that you single him out on that? Heck a Clanche took a shot at a disabled Vagan suit and would've died if Kio had not put his bits in to protect the guy. On that matter what a huge waste of a character in Girrad. What the hell is up with the writers? And the fact that it was a Vagan sabotage lessens the impact on the Federation part as that makes the officer justified in covering up the events so they can continue. Granted he was being an ass about it but that doesn't make it better for Renai to just go off like that. And Kio....what the hell man. This war isn't about understanding, it's being caused by a crazed maniac whose deluding his own people into following him. Reveal the truth to them will have a lot more impact than just preaching "understanding." Hell this isn't Gundam 00. |
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2012-08-05, 12:43 | Link #32 | |
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Then Emily will sense it and go =.=?!!!! |
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2012-08-05, 12:51 | Link #33 | |
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And the war with the aliens was an actual misunderstanding part. In Gundam AGE? The Vagans are all gung ho to their deaths following some stupid destiny-copy plan. What the hell does understanding each other have to do with that? It's like Kio has his own writer that's following his own storyline from the other writers. Asemu again gets points for actually trying to do that. His argument holds weight because it actually has the "why" and not just "do it" Last edited by SoldierOfDarkness; 2012-08-05 at 13:01. |
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2012-08-05, 14:04 | Link #36 |
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I find it interesting the impression of the Vegan base XO of the Fed Forces and of the Fed Forces of itself.
Vegans can't fathom the Feds has the balls to use WMD, much more if their own guys get killed in the process. The Feds are squeezy in using WMD even if it is a military target. This leads the Vegans belief that the despised Federation will always play nice. Now they are willing to use WMD as a deterrent and lose expendable soldiers in the process. Now Vegans are scared as this isn't just conventional warfare anymore. Even if they are the ones who frequently use Colony Destroyers and Plasma bombs. That is how a stalemate is being achieved not Asemu's attack everybody and hope they loose interest as the war drags on. |
2012-08-05, 14:09 | Link #37 |
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I find it weird that they value their life so much.
I mean in G1 it was said they don't fear death. Hence they didn't even leave their posts as Ambat was destroyed. How the hell did they become pansies all of a sudden? |
2012-08-05, 14:29 | Link #38 | |||
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Go rewatch MSG, the Zeong head was still firing back at Amuro, Zeheart and Fram weren't shooting back at all. Flit intended to shoot them in the back like a coward. Quote:
Using Rau as your example does not help your point, Rau was insane and wanted to destroy humanity, of course he wouldn't mind shooting defenseless soldiers. Why don't you use Kira and Athrun as examples instead? When Genesis fired, the Earth Alliance retreated and Zaft chased them down and started to shoot them as they were retreating. Kira and Athrun disabled all the ZAFT units and protected the EA saying that it wasn't fair to shoot those who had no intention of shooting back. You guys can keep white knighting Flit all you want, the facts are there and they indicate FLit is not a bastion of morality and righteousness.
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2012-08-05, 14:38 | Link #39 | ||
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Or my personal theory Zeheart rescinded the suicide tactics as field commander in this generation after loosing so much of his soldiers and sacrificing his on brother. Lets take two earlier cases. Gerra Zoi and Medel Zant. Gerra Zoi die spewing that his soul will go to Earth citing it is what Ezelcant said. Medel Zant die with a vision of Eden. A vision we know as fake made up by Ezelcant's X-Rounder projection. With earlier generations I'd say some propaganda and brainwashing is involved. Decil may have been an experiment that went deranged at an early age. Similar to Reina Spriggan. We know that Mu-zell helmets have bad side effects on non X-Rounders and causes brain damage. All the Vagan military have them. We also know Zeheart values his soldiers health. My guess less active Mu-zell helmets less crazy and suicidal. Quote:
Heck in the middle ages retreats become routs. War is not a fight between kids that says quits at the end of the day it is fight to finish off the opposing military force ensuring they are crippled militarily and you win decisively. Because if you let a retreating enemy go fairly intact it means they are going to rally back their strength and go at it again. What Flit did wrong was try to shoot during a ceasefire. Or are you not familiar with what a ceasefire is? Last edited by ReddyRedWolf; 2012-08-05 at 14:53. |
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2012-08-05, 14:42 | Link #40 | |
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