2010-08-11, 20:39 | Link #15825 | |
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What Battler sees is glimpses of two people who are dressed up very differently and who behave in very different ways. Even more importantly, every single person in the mansion treats them as different people, and it's very hard to accept something that seems ridiculous when all the people who should know much better seem sure of the contrary. Subconsciously, people tend to go with the flow without even realizing it. On top of all that, George mentions that they're siblings, and though Shannon immediately says "well, we're not exactly siblings", it would be easy for that thought to get stuck in Battler's mind if he wasn't paying too much attention to it. He did have plenty of other things to occupy his attention, after all
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2010-08-11, 21:25 | Link #15827 |
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Answer: Nothing. The real question would be how much time Erika needs. Multiply that number by infinity and you get the amount of time Battler would need. And it was said, "Battler is incompetent."
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2010-08-11, 22:09 | Link #15830 |
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Shkanon doesn't work in episode 3, unless you believe that all of the adults are completely lying about finding the corpses.
Kanon was found locked in the chapel. It would be impossible for Shannon to get up and go to the chapel and have it be locked because she wouldn't have the key. You can't lock doors without keys. Episodes 2 and 3 hint the most strongly that it is possible to be dead, but not really dead. I would actually be amazingly surprised if it wasn't possible to be declared dead in red but still be alive. Episode 3 is actually super hard to figure out why people are doing what they are doing. If anyone can come up with good motivations for the characters, I would like to hear it. I think it's clear that the adults all did something sketchy since they stayed up all night. And the magic scenes strongly suggest shannon, kanon, and possibly Genji are all fake dead. |
2010-08-11, 22:23 | Link #15832 | |
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The people who had already been declared dead at the time were the first and second twilights. So someone who wasn't declared dead before that faked, killed Nanjo and died for some reason later. We even have a reason to kill the doctor if you've read and then there were none. As for the second twilight the most common culprits used here are Eva, and ironically Rudolf.
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2010-08-11, 22:30 | Link #15833 | |
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I don't think that theory would work if that's the result,and there are no clues for anyone suddenly dying unless the dead goldsmith was really alive and killing everyone and dies of his problems. :< |
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2010-08-11, 22:31 | Link #15834 |
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While that satisfies the "A human did it", I don't really call that a solution. There's also no good reason for the person who killed Nanjo to suddenly die.
I think we should think more about why the 5 people who are in the first twilight are in the first twilight, and why the adults do what they did. The best I can come up with is that the adults questioned Kumasawa/Gohda and got some information out of them, and then the other 3 servants killed them and faked their own deaths, with Nanjo's help. |
2010-08-11, 22:40 | Link #15838 |
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The red truth is simply truth, and there is no need to provide evidence, proof, or room for a counter-argument!!
You think we haven't discussed this already? The most likely people used here are Kyrie and Hideyoshi who would have already been wounded at the time. For them dying just after isn't strange at all. For any other person if Eva killed this culprit after he entered the room they were in while the game was progressing Battler has a realistic reason to call Eva the culprit at the end. Solving two problems instead of one.
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2010-08-11, 22:49 | Link #15839 |
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You do not need to provide them but the clues still need to be shown in the game.
I made that myself,since Battler hasn't seem to have said it. What it means is that during a discussion,the red truth does not need to provide evidence,but they still need to be shown in the game. I didn't see any evidence that one of them could randomly die. |
2010-08-11, 22:51 | Link #15840 |
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Nobody is denying the red truth. We're saying there should be a reason for it. There is a reason it is the truth, and that is the important part.
Kyrie and Hideyoshi get up after being shot and inspected by Battler? And then they stumble upon Nanjo and kill him? I find that one pretty hard to believe. I don't remember exactly how the end of episode 3 goes down. I should go look at the scene just before she kills him. Was it a very abrupt cut to her saying she was the culprit and shooting him? |
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