2012-08-07, 23:20 | Link #1366 |
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Touma's bad luck?
Read vol 4 where its describe that Touma's bad luck affect people around him that everything he goes and he himself was always having bad luck or misfortune and thus the people around him calls him plague. While in academy city his bad luck was tone down to the point it only effects him and is more like for fun type of bad luck and not extreme ones.
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2012-08-08, 08:00 | Link #1369 |
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Actually people believed his bad luck would affect others so he was avoided by people.
His father put him in Academy City because people there didn't believe in superstition, and as he predicted no one believed they would get bad luck by getting near him, quite the opposite, people got near him because they believed he would get all the bad luck around to him. Which if you think a little, is another kind of superstition...
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2012-08-08, 08:32 | Link #1370 | |
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2012-08-08, 09:54 | Link #1371 | ||
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Which was only a superstition as he says. So no, he never really gave bad lucky to anyone.
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2012-08-08, 10:19 | Link #1372 |
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Huh, I guess it's been a while since I read that. Well that scraps my "Terra of the left thought that Touma wasn't using his imagine breaker to it's full potential because it used to be stronger but Aliester did something to weaken it when he moved to Academy City" theory.
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2012-08-08, 11:25 | Link #1373 |
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Actually neither of you is really wrong or right (also because just as Ilidsor said, what was said in there can be linked to vol 14).
Well, it's just a matter of perspective, Touya thought people unjustly believed those rumours ... but it can also be him who was wrong thinking that everything the others said is just unfounded rumours and not actually the truth (and it's even more contestable since he's a guy with 0 experience in supernatural and the guy who cast Angel Fall without noticing it, mind you >.>)
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2012-08-08, 11:34 | Link #1374 | |
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I mean, they know him since he was born. Or are you saying he have a specific rule that his parent can't get unlucky? If you start assuming arbitrary rules then there really ins't anything anyone can prove. Anyway his parents are quite lucky, Kamijou even says how his mother wins in jackpot machines. So no, he don't really have a "unlucky aura", it only affects him. (And don't say his parents can be lucky while away from him because if you lived with someone for over 10 years you would notice if you got really unlucky when near him, we are not talking about random unlucky happenings, we are talking about kamijou-level misfortune. The one able to break your cellphone, electronics, food, get magicians to chase you and break your credit card on the same day.)
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2012-08-08, 12:30 | Link #1375 |
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Then you have to ask yourself how all of this got started? How did it become so bad that random people would try to kill him on the street?
It's quite possible his parents refused to believe in his bad luck, even when it hits them, thinking that it's just a coincidence or whatever logical reasons. What kind of parents are they if started calling him out for bring them bad luck? No matter what they would refuse to think that way.
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2012-08-08, 12:41 | Link #1376 | |
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The novels states why they did that, because people believe in superstition, that is the whole point why he went to academy city. The novel never said he gave misfortune to anyone. The novel always say he and only him is affect by his misfortune. There is really no point trying to argue otherwise, anything that points in the other direction is made up because someone "could think of something". Things could change later on? Yes they could, heck the sky could turn red and kanzaki becomes a guy, but for now there is absolutely no reason to ever believe he gives misfortune.
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2012-08-08, 12:52 | Link #1377 | |
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The novel speaks from the perspective of his father, and as such from his point of view Touma's bad luck does not exist and it was all in their minds because as a father it's unlikely he would think of his own child as 'unlucky'. Maybe it had evolved into something out of control, but are you telling me that those people randomly picked him to be the object of their misfortune? Something must have happened to set them down this mindset because it takes one hell of a drastic incident spark this reaction.
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He just denied his bad luck was something that other people could catch by being near. Quote:
Also the part where you say something must have happened is just your assumption, it does not state anywhere that something bigger than just having constant misfortune is necessary for that kind of behavior. Quite the opposite, it states having constant misfortune was enough to trigger it.
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I'll just add to what Chaos said : this was never stated objectively like that sir
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2012-08-08, 14:53 | Link #1380 | |
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Imagine breaker negate all of supernatural powers, magic and even god miracles. it don't negate 30% or 40% of anything, if he was able to negate the fortune of others they would have no fortune at all. And everything you guys said is just supposition, his father knows he is unlucky yet knows he don't bring misfortune into others. Everyone from his class likes to hang around him because they believe he attracts their bad luck, while this is just a superstition it would be unable to get that mindset if he gave misfortune to others. I mean, how could you think that someone would give you good luck if you only had bad luck while near him? Over the course of around 32 books no character never got any kind of misfortune related to touma, they even got lucky while near him. Again I repeat we are talking about Touma here, the guy who lost his phone, credit card, summer vacation, peace and electronics in the same day. It would be very obvious at any moment if he gave misfortune. Yet you guys have absolutely no proof he gives misfortune to others. So I don't even know why this discussion is being prolonged, there is no proof on one side that keep on meaningless dragging this.
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