2010-04-25, 15:11 | Link #9202 |
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Since it mentions "in the story" I would guess it's talking about the story of EP5 only. It was the only story to break the fourth wall and say that they were in a mystery novel. So I think that this is another reference to that, and so if the character didn't appear in the story of EP5, there isn't a chance of their corpse existing either.
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2010-04-25, 15:15 | Link #9203 | |
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I don't think "story" refers to something like the "scenario". The only time I've seen any reds referring to something that is only true in one scenario like that is EVAtrice in episode 3 and she uses the word "game" not "story"
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2010-04-25, 15:30 | Link #9204 |
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hmmm I just realized something... there are several instances where it's implied that the one who started the rumors of the "witch living in the forest" is Kinzo's wife.
Why Kinzo's wife started that rumor? It is also heavily implied that she thought Kinzo cheated on her. But then I don't get it, why she spread the rumor about the witch? It seems she used to tell that to her children so they would never venture into the forest. But if she was aware of the Kuwadorian and Beatrice, why she wanted to cover up the truth with the story of a witch?
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2010-04-25, 15:33 | Link #9205 | |
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2010-04-25, 15:33 | Link #9206 |
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I guess Kinzo and his wife would have "an understanding".
Where do they say that though? I thought it was Kinzo that they said made up the legend. Didn't he make up the idea of the wolves in the forest, and then he changed it to a witch Because Rudolf wanted to pet the wolves?
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yes they also said that, but Battler knows the story differently
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2010-04-25, 17:01 | Link #9208 | |
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Regardless, the behavior of Kinzo's wife is perfectly explicable: She believed he was cheating on her and sneaking off somewhere. Whether he was cheating or not, he was sneaking off somewhere, so she was right. Maybe she eventually found out and the issue wasn't what she thought it was, so she became complicit in trying to prevent others from finding out. Or maybe she just went a little crazy with suspicion. |
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2010-04-25, 17:39 | Link #9210 | |
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Besides the family doesn't need to appear happy when they live on a deserted island. There's nobody around to care.
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2010-04-25, 17:40 | Link #9211 |
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Alternately, Kinzo's wife spread the earlier stories of demons on the island and it got mixed up with the Beatrice legend. This has been brought up in ep6, though it hasn't explicitly been stated who was spreading what legend. Still, the island has a history; Battler may not be entirely sure which parts of the legend come from which people.
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2010-04-25, 17:49 | Link #9212 | |
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I expect that after a brief period of admitting that you think he does, you would shut up and accept any other story that would let you explain the events as something else, including the one he uses. Not because it's true, but because unrestricted paranoia is just the grounds he needs to ship you off to the loony bin - and if he is truly cheating on you, getting rid of you in this manner may well be within his plans. "I wouldn't put it past Kinzo."™
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Battler does say in one instance that his grandmother is since long time deceased. But "long time" could be 10 years, it's hard to tell. Anyway she didn't die recently. Now that I remember, however, she was still alive in 1967 because Rosa said she had an argument with her. Quote:
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Look I guess you could still say that Kinzo's wife died between the time Beatrice and the baby did. But I find this extremely improbable. If that was the case I think the siblings should have mentioned the fact that their own mother died around the time Rosa had that little adventure, and in that case Rosa should be able to remember the exact date. No, I think it's more probable that Kinzo's wife was still alive, and Natsuhi just forgot to mention her for some reasons. Quote:
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However, I don’t think we conclude it yet since Natsuhi is still a possible candidate. Quote:
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Both were killed by another person! It is not the case that, after the construction of the closed room, one of them committed suicide after committing murder! Furthermore, the murder was carried out with both the victim and the perpetrator in the same room! No method exists for the perpetrator to commit murder from outside the room! I think that this red truth is just denying the possibility of firing some kind of weapon through a crack in the door when it is partially opened but the chain is still set. Quote:
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Rosa is in middle school at the time. That is, she is barely 16 if that. Just what kind of friends would she be travelling with? The only reasonable way a schoolgirl of this age would end up travelling is a school trip, and then Natsuhi would say that, and not something else.
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2010-04-25, 17:58 | Link #9216 | |
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I don't see the issue, there's been flashbacks that predate Asumu's death by many years. Ryukishi had plenty of situations to bring it up, he just seems to prefer to give almost no info on her. The most stuff we know about her come from Kyrie's mouth, and I don' trust Kyrie on that subject.
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2010-04-25, 18:05 | Link #9217 | |
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I don't think there's any problem with the fact that we haven't seen what Asumu looks like yet because of this.
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2010-04-25, 18:06 | Link #9218 |
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Wait...
If Beatrice died in '67 or so... and Rosa reports her mother being around. Yet in that same year, Natsuhi also reports her mother-in-law not being around, if this is not an error doesn't mean that Kinzo's wife died in '67? So we have 3 deaths that year? I wouldn't be surprised that Kinzo's wife hurled herself off a cliff too. Dammit, is Rokkenjima designed by Star Wars engineers or something? Put some railings up! Or in the case of Natsuhi's servant and baby.. put some really, really tall railings. 8) |
2010-04-25, 18:11 | Link #9219 | |
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If both of them lied about their stories then isn't it possible for: 1967 Beatrice = Servant who Natsuhi pushed off the cliff = Kinzo's wife Then again, I don't see why they would lie about it. Yeah, it's getting wierd now...
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2010-04-25, 18:14 | Link #9220 | |
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I.e. if the boiler<->courtyard door is lockable there's no problem. Otherwise, if the two doors X are courtyard<->corridor, boiler room cannot be a closed room. If they are doors of type courtyard<->room_X, boiler room can be an unidirectional closed room even if the boiler<->courtyard door is not lockable, but two more keys may be involved. But in either case, a way exists to traverse from one part of the mansion to another through the courtyard without alerting anyone along the way. How useful is that is something we don't really know.
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