2014-12-31, 04:02 | Link #3941 | |
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Dat summary , i wrote it after watching the movie for the 1st time , of course there may be some mistakes . Though i did watched the movie again ( 2 times ) to have better understanding , with all the ruckus in the topic as well as my school project , i forgot to edit . Edit : still waiting for the Last doujin , haven't seen any of them in Japan yet , what the hell are those H-artist doing.... Last edited by kampfer91; 2014-12-31 at 04:17. |
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2014-12-31, 04:19 | Link #3942 | |
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It sucks that haters and NaruSaku fans berate her for not reaching out to him despite that she cared about him for a long time, ignoring the fact she had her OWN problems to deal with. Yet try to claim that Sakura cared more about Naruto, ignoring that Sakura was originally AMONG those people who treated Naruto like crap. Seriously what sounds like a better and more meaningful love message: A guy geting together with a girl that originally couldn't stand him, sees him as annoying and tells it to his face, doesn't understand his emotional issues, only sees you as as a friend no matter what pointless pursuits and repeatedly hits you for the dumbest reasons? Or a guy getting together with a girl who loved and admired him from the beginning when no one else cared, uses said admiration to better herself, can relate to him due to having similar issues, is always kind and caring to him even if he's being an idiot, loves and cares about him to the point she's willing to die for him and would never hit you with unnecessary violence (unless it's to snap you out of your flunk and only then it's a light slap). Yeah this is why NaruHina has more grounds of being a better and more meaningful pairing than NaruSaku ever was. Not to mention a nice change in the typical hero/tsundere pairings that plague most of shounen. Yeah I agree with your points on the characters from the Sasuke Retireval Arc, only Shikamaru was received positively while the rest were cast aside. It shows when Shikamaru and Hinata are usually bundled along with Team 7 and appear in more merchandise and advertisements while the rest only appear in general stuff and never on their own. And yeah Neji does seem more like a male Hinata clone. Funny cause the general conscious I see from a good number of the fandom and/or Hinata haters is that Hinata is the female clone of Neji due to Neji being stronger, more talented, etc. While I won't deny Neji's stronger and more talented, Hinata just seemed more interesting and likable compared to him. The fact that he was also cast aside in Part II, save for the Rescue Gaara arc and even killed to push her and Naruto further which Kishimoto admits. So yeah like Kiba and Shino, it really does seem like Neji's character and popularity ended up being eclipsed by Hinata's. Even though he was initially pushed as the main Hyuga in the series, he too was put in the sidelines for Hinata's development (and even killed at that). Wait, where did you hear about Neji's design being based on Hinata's? And yeah I know that Kishimoto sucks at writing girls but as far as I'm concerned, he actually did a good job with Hinata. She had a fleshed-out backstory, had a great personality, her interactions with the main character were beautiful, fans rooted and supported her, people WANTED her to get Naruto, her development improved and keeps on improving and every time she appears, she heralds a "YAY!" reaction from most of the fans in contrast to the other characters. Sure there might have been SOME stuff I wanted to add to her or stuff that I wished was handled better, but overall I'm glad with Hinata's character. Heck even the majority of anime and video game staff love her. To the point they're willing to expand on her more than the other Konoha 11 in terms of appearances, background and even jutsus. And you know what's better? Kishimoto actually integrates them in canon in some way. Just what is it about Hinata that makes her so compelling that they're willing to do this for her? XD Since you discussed most of the Konoha 11, what about Ino and Tenten? Considering they weren't pushed much, yet they STILL seem more popular than some of the guys in the Konoha 11 (especially Choji) Heck with the way things are going, I think even SAKURA was cast aside yet was kept around cause Kishi had to in order to maintain his heroine. Random power-ups and moments aside, it seemed like Kishimoto just didn't care about her. From the way she goes back and forth in her development as well as her complete fail moments (looking at you again Five Kage Summit arc) which even if you WEREN'T a shipper, only made your opinion on her lower. It really makes me wonder why his editor pushed for her type of character in the first place. I remember reading in some interviews that he tried to make Sakura more attractive or appealing to readers by basing her looks from some Hollyfood actress (Christina Ricci I think?) as well as the various pushes with varying success, but was very surprised that no matter what he did with Sakura, Hinata was just more popular than her not only amongst the fandom but also amongst his co-workers to the point they said she would have been a better leading female. Face it, when your co-workers, the anime/video game staff, and the general number of the fandom think that a side character makes for a better heroine than your supposed one? You KNOW you messed up with her. As for Minato and Kushina on Hinata. Yeah I see that too, you know what would even seal the deal? Well in regards to the above, if Minato and Kushina ever found out that Hinata was the ONLY one who cared about their son as well as all the things she did for him (which is similar to what they did for their son) and how she generally treats him well. I'm sure they'd think to themselves that she's definitely a keeper and would egg their son into dating her XD. Speaking of the Mecha Naruto story, it kinda says something (either about Hinata or the game staff) when Hinata prefers to team up with Naruto over her own teammates for the tournament and that Naruto's more than glad to team up with her compared to his other friends. Oh and speaking of the moon kiss, I remember reading a comic wherein Sakura and Sai were pondering whether to tell them that everyone can see them only for them not to. Then it shows Naruto's fangirls crying, Iruka and Konohamaru being amazed, and Kurenai telling her baby how she's shipped it since the Chuunin exams lol. Wonder what other characters (like the rest of Konoha 11) would think if they saw that. Must have been a combination of awws and wolf whistles lol. |
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2014-12-31, 07:35 | Link #3948 | |
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Anyways , seeing how rich the Hyuga is, the cake will be a giant multi story cake in orange and lavender , donned in Uzumaki and Hyuga symbol , on top are Naruto and Hinata doll |
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And I am starting to get a little disappointed by the lack of H doujins about the Last too (ESPECIALLY NaruHina ones come on guys this is like your GOLDEN time to be MAKiNG THEM!)...I guess ALOT of doujin artists are Sakura fans? (cause seriously there are TONS of Sakura doujins even before the Last) Seriously the ONLY doujin I've seen with ANY Last designs was one of Sakura on the cover...sigh I am starting to seriously think even the whole notion of Naruto marrying Hinata isn't going to still stop them from writing Naruto neotaring Hinata to be with Sakura...seriously WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO? Sigh...oh well give it time I am SURE something NaruHina about the Last will come along and it will be REALLY sexy...(though I do dread some Toneri raping Hinata are going to be made too which will probably end with Naruto arriving too late and Hinata no longer wanting him) eeerrr not that I READ any doujins that is...cause that would be silly... Hinata's still hot... Quote:
But what did Hinata see and she DIDN'T have anyone to tell her abut Naruto's loneliness....she saw a boy...a boy that was always lonely, a boy that saved her from bullies, a boy that everyone told her was some kind of monster but never really elaborated on why he was, se saw a boy who would never give up on his dreams even when it seemed he was not talented, she saw a boy that worked very hard, she saw a kindred spirit...who unfortunately has the same turning around mechanic as a Resident Evil 1 character to not have noticed...sigh...so sad Sadly this may make me sound like a liar but I kinda forgot where I read the Neiji was modelled after one of Hinata's failed designs, all I remember was that it was out of something official, see here's the thing NO ONE can call Hinata, Neiji's clone because Hinata WAS one of Kishimoto's earliest characters the whole Ramen Waitress history, so naturally he had SOME concept arts of what would eventually BE her future design, now if what I read was right, he finalized what he wanted Hinata to look like then wanted to add her whole family history storyline so he took one of his earlier designs of Hinata, made it look more like a boy and voila, he had Neiji...so no matter what the haters say, Hinata was ALWAYS first THEN Neiji so he is her clone not the other way round much like how she is of the MAIN Branch and he is of the SIDE one As for Ino and Ten Ten, I didn't mention them because there was not much I COULD say there were NEVER pushed to the forefront...let's face it even Chouji had supposedly "bigger character moments" then Ino did...which is a HUGE tragedy on his own, but as it was mentioned numerous times Kishimoto sucked at writing girls (hopefully given his experience with NAruto this will change for PArt 3 and he'll develop stronger females) but I'll give it a shot Ino: it seems Ino was only really there to give Sakura SOME initial conflict...a rival to compete over Sasuke...but the problem was? The problem solved itself WAY too easily...after one fight in the Chunnin exam which ended in a draw...Ino and Sakura are laughing again and telling how they'll still be competing for Sasuke...which ALSO never panned out when Sasuke fled Konoha, Ino easily got over him so Sakura got her friend back (the one who taught her confidence) and could STILL chase Sasuke pretty much unopposed (cause lets face it no one thought Karin had a shot) so Ino sorta was just there...she was not the main heroine nor did she have Hinata's number 1 female popularity...so they gave her a boy hungry personality to have her place amoung the girls, (Sakura = Tsuendere, Hinata = Yamato Nadeshiko, Ino = boy Hungry lol). And while she did state she could have fallen for NAruto after he saved the village from Pein thankfully nothing panned out for that so her initially teased with Sai when they were able to tell him how to compliment her and the fact he called her pretty must have left some effect on her cause she dreamed of him AND Sasuke in her Tsukuyomi, considering no one was going for Sai, meant it was not completely implausible to end up with him...better then the OTHER option I see fans come up with her Ino and Cho....oh good gawd! One moment! *runs off and sounds of Avalon throwing up can be heard* *comes back okay...where was I? Ten Ten: well...*gets cut off in favour of a scene of Naruto and Hinata making out* ...and that's sadly the problem with Ten Ten, she was never going to be popular...her role was determined from the start fill out space for team Gai Well the rumours around Sakura was that while he didn't HATE Sakura per say she was ALOT more work for him then he would have liked, considering she was the brainstorm idea of his editor and I think Kishimoto respected the guy to include his wish (or maybe was afraid of him lol) he tried to put her in as much as he could the problems were obvious from the start, she was never that popular, it got to the point Kishimoto would spend more time redesigning her ot make her look cuter in hopes it would get the fans on her side...didn't help, sadly what usually helps females giving them a bigger bust (don't laugh you know it helps) couldn't be done on Sakura since they established she was always going to be flat to keep her running joke going. It got to the point that his planned backstory he was going to show Sakura's family and all had to be postponned due to lack of interest from the fans...ALL the way to RTN movie...where some of the fans STILL don't care. It got to the point he never stated when he had the idea but he did that he considered switching Hinata and Sakura's heroine status...but ultimately decided to stick to his guns and keep Sakura as the main heroine...ultimately I think he realized Sakura was never going to catch up with the gap that Hinata has made hence he wrote the failed confession scene to subtly tell the fans that Naruto wasn't going to be with Sakura, ultimately if he was planning on Sakura to have ANY self respect after that scene it majorly backfired as it made her hated even more even with the fans that didn't care about her in the first place...not that this stopped the NArusaku of course Yes ultimately in the end, Kushina wants a girl for Naruto like herself, and Hinata represents the kind and gentle moments...there is no way she'd pick the girl that would beat up her son for missing his diet! (Then again I think she might act like that...who knows?) I think this is because she's gotten to the point Hianta realizes she can work better (and WANTS to spend more time with him of course) with Naruto then she does with any member of her team...lets face it, if I was a girl I wouldn't want to work with Kiba and Shino either...Shino with the bugs and Kiba with the ACTUAL using dog urination for attacks...yeah I'd stick to the Fox spirit main character thank you very much Yeah that comic is somewhere around the board, heh it ends with Hanabi still blind (since no one returned her eyes yet) wondering whats going on Quote:
And a SasuSaku wedding? Meh NOT interested...but I personally think one of two things would happen, Sasuke will probably ask Sakura to elope with him so their marriage will happen from where no one will see him an lets face it pardoned or not I think there MIGHT be some hard feelings with some of the other Konoha 10, maybe Naruto and Hinata will be like the only ones to show up to witness it thus able to confirm it happened (in a VERY private wedding you need SOME kind of witness), the second is that I can see it taking place in front of that giant Tree, where Sasuke will then come up with the idea of making their new home in said tree lol, one things for sure neither Sasuke or Sakura have the financial means of Hinata to support a large scale wedding, so yeah sorry Sasuke you lose even getting married lol
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2014-12-31, 12:22 | Link #3950 | |
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Yeah I agree there on Naruto possibly resenting his father if he was told early on, considering his first reaction upon meeting him and finding out that he sealed Kurama inside him was to punch him in the gut. In hindsight, not telling him when he was little was probably for the best. I agree on your points about Ino, although Sakura is still milds more popular than her in the fandom, I still give Ino points for being a more likable version of Sakura despite being boy hungry. Which is funny cause throughout the series, we're told to root for Sakura when Ino just ends up being more likable and developed in terms of her relationships with her friends. I think the fact that she got over Sasuke (IT dream aside) helped her more to some fans. And to be honest, she's actually my 2nd favorite Naruto female. As for Tenten...yeah I got nothing. Her design is nice, but that's it. A shame considering her seiyuu is almost on the same level as Nana. Yeah Kishimoto tried to flesh out Sakura in RTN, problem was they had to degrade her back to her Part I personality and she came off as an ungrateful b**** (granted her parents are a bit embarrassing, especially her dad) which only made it worse. Yeah I imagine Sasuke and Sakura's wedding being a secretive one with only Naruto, Hinata and probably Kakashi as their audience. Not just the Konoha 11, but I think most of the village now hates his guts. I've been seeing fics/headcanons in which Sarada gets some bad rep for her father being a traitor to the village and almost planning a revolution. And yeah Sasuke, if there's one thing that Naruto beat you with, it's love life and who he married. I mean in terms of significant others, can you seriously compare Sakura to Hinata? Heck I think Naruto beat all of his friends in that regard, with Shikamaru tying with him. Speaking of Temari or the Sand siblings, it's also amusing that Kankuro seems to have been left in the dust as well. While Gaara is one of the most popular characters in the fandom (making the top 4 almost all the time) while Temari is well-liked for being badass, her no-nonsense personality AND her softer side when it comes to Shikamaru, it seems like Kankuro is also relatively ignored XD. Heck he wasn't even in Naruto and Hinata's wedding despite Gaara and Temari being there. |
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2014-12-31, 12:22 | Link #3951 | |
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Thing is about Sakura there's nothing wrong with her StiLL possessing feelings with Sasuke...the problem was she came across WAY too obvious and jsut flat out obsessed about them, had she been more subtle about her feelings for Sasuke (and no one can argue with me that she WAS she was SO not!) maybe secretly consoling with someone that she should hate Sasuke for what he's doing but she can't bring herself to...or maybe a scene wondering even if they do get Sasuke back could they even try to help him? Might have helped her, instead of the "LOVE MEEEE LOVE MEEEEE! I'm going to try to kill you...but end up needing saving instead! BUT I STLL LOVE YOUUUUU!" Angle we got instead... Heh the problem is I don't see ANY of the couples in this series tying with Naruto...lets face it EVERY married couple in this series we have seen WILL react in violence if their husbands piss them off...Naruto is the ONLY exception to this rule... Well another reason I imagine for the secret much like it fits Sasuke's personality not to make a big show of things...probably cause he knows he can't financially bring a wedding that would EVER top Naruto's...seriously with the Ucuhiha gone, I am sure that kinda makes the Hyuga the richest clan in Konoha lol...yeah try making a wedding when you have to compete with Hinata's financial support and backing and Sasuke probably ended up telling Sakura he'd like a secret wedding on the grounds of being "romantic" lol As for Kankuro its middle child syndrome, happens all the time lol Quote:
I am sure Sasuke realized this and chose to live OUTSIDE of Konoha, and remember the rest of the the Konoha 10 don't hold Sasuke to the same level of friendship that Naruto did, so I will be EXTREMELY surprised if ALL of them accepted Sasuke back just because NAruto says its okay...and yes they are SO living in a tree, check out the backgrounds there's ALOT more wood then a standard house, judging by where Sasuke is in relations leads me to believe he's heading home in said forest Yeah I was aware of that one but decided not to mention it...if there's anything that disgusts Avalon's Ero Ero mode...heh heh heh its loli, gore, vore and oversized body expansion...man Japan's weird...
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2014-12-31, 17:05 | Link #3955 | |
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but Happy New Years and thank you for all the info you gave us about the Last Movie... and I guess people just prefer Hinata with longer hair, I mean for practical reasons I understand why she'd want to have shorter hair for the time being (easier to maintain especially when you're raising children) but I guess since the movie's ending happened BEFORE Chapter 700 where Hinata grew out her hair again people jsut assume its going to be long again...unless Kishimoto decides he wants Hinata with short hair again but I highly doubt that NaruHina its the gift that keeps on giving! Let's all raise a toast that we get MORE NAruHina in 2015...and yes I will be repeating this when my clock strikes midnight lol
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2014-12-31, 17:29 | Link #3958 | |
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Because only those live in Japan have watched it . |
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2014-12-31, 17:33 | Link #3959 |
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I'm waiting for the opportunity to be able to watch it, so as far as I can tell sharing ideas and speculations of the future of NaruHina is the best thing to talk about at this current moment, and you know keeping people entertained! Lol I got all the details about the movie that I need to know, I mean in all honestly what is there to talk about other then spoiling the whole movie? But I want to be surprised for something...It's not like any of us can share our thoughts about the movie yet
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2014-12-31, 17:50 | Link #3960 | |
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I regret i couldn't watch the movie again for xmas feeling , but work and project have to come 1st . Weird , there is one thing that bothering me right now . Hiashi and Hizashi are twin brother , yet Hiashi get to the main house while his brother dumped to the branch house . However , the case won't happen with Hinata and Hanabi . |
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