Gundam 00 Mecha, Weapons, and Technology

[GN0010 Nosferatu]

Not all of the ELS survived their homeworld blowing up. Some of them were shown melting.

[T-T-Thunder!]

Originally Posted by LoweGear

I know the Harute releases all its missiles in the scene it transforms into Marut mode. But I don't see any other instances of it releasing any missiles in the final battle, with all of its ranged-attack abilities taken care of by its Scissor Bits.

Originally Posted by DV04

Yeah, I just rewatched the final battle (it's still awesome, no matter how many times I see it) and Harute doesn't unleash its missiles until it goes into Marute mode.

Nope. The Harute is streaming missiles from its back when the song is playing and ghost-Setsuna is checking up on Lockon and Allelujah as they fight.

And after the initial spin-transform activation of Marute, where it is also spewing missiles in all directions, it continues to do so when Hallelujah is screaming about how "this is the power of a super-soldier!" and firing in all directions as the Harute spirals upward.

Little creative license, methinks here, as far as how many missiles can be packed into that tiny container...especially considering how fast they exhausted it in the second bout with the ELS.

[LoweGear]

Originally Posted by BiscottiGelato

The ELS was proficient in countering EFS's weapons only because they were all GN based. Just good old plastic explosive was sufficient in blowing the ELS Ribbons replica. We can see that their composite material is not that tough. And being organic life-forms they probably are extra susceptible to gamma radiations.

The only time the ELS were able to counter the ESF's weapons on them being GN particle based weapons was during that initial missile attack by the absolute defense line, and even then alot of ELS still got slaughtered in that opening salvo. The ELS are shown to be not be good against blast effects and extreme high heat in general, something which GN particle weapons are good at.

As console65 mentioned, it's a huge leap to assume that the ELS are organic lifeforms, hell the scientists examining the fragments of ELS they found all refer to it as "metal", and even scoffed at the possibility of it moving under its own power, thus its unlikely the ELS have anything resembling biological tissue or such. And the ELS are shown to be travelling in space essentially "naked", where they would be constantly exposed to all forms of cosmic radiation, including gamma radiation.

[aeriolewinters]

Why didn't Billy and Meena think of corroding these aliens? A catalyst would kill these guys.

[Zantetsuken]

Originally Posted by aeriolewinters

Why didn't Billy and Meena think of corroding these aliens? A catalyst would kill these guys.

Hoho, good point. They have a sample, they should have been able to find a substance that can corrode them

[BiscottiGelato]

Originally Posted by console65

You're forgetting that they are organic metal and that they survived their own sun going nova, which releases a lot of radiation, and that space is filled with radiation which they have been flying through for who knows how long.

Their star did not go nova. It merely became a red giant, which their home planet was sufficiently close to the star such that it got heated up real good, but not so close that it got swallowed by the red giant. Their star then became a white dwarf, which reduced the amount of energy their planet received, forcing them to leave either way.

If the ELS species survived a nova, I don't think any crappy GN tech, including almighty twin super duper quantum raiser blast would scratch their paint job at all...

There are a lot of radiation in space, but all of them are originated from thousands of light years away. I don't know what known objects/materials will survive an induced alpha/beta/gamma ray burst via a high yield fusion explosion at km's distance. Whether an H bomb will be sufficient in melting enough of the giant ELS really depends on the yield and intensity of the resulting radiation bursts.

H bombs tho, definately is heck of a lot cheaper than GN drives and should be much easier to mass produce with. In an all out life or death battle against the ELS i'd choose missiles and bombs with H bomb heads than GN crap.

[console65]

Originally Posted by LoweGear

As console65 mentioned, it's a huge leap to assume that the ELS are organic lifeforms, hell the scientists examining the fragments of ELS they found all refer to it as "metal", and even scoffed at the possibility of it moving under its own power, thus its unlikely the ELS have anything resembling biological tissue or such. And the ELS are shown to be travelling in space essentially "naked", where they would be constantly exposed to all forms of cosmic radiation, including gamma radiation.

Technically they can be considered organic lifeforms for one definition I found said "that having the characteristics of an organism : developing in the manner of a living plant or animal <society is organic>" They do act in such a way

They evolved on their planet, combining and changing their bodies to into forms that suit their needs and want. We see them moving in an organized fashion in their ocean like cars on a freeway. They even built a damn orbital ring for some reason. Also, I can agree that they obviously coordinate with a hive mind mentality but when their sun was scorching their planet many of those dart looking ELS were scrambling in many different directions which could be looked at as evidence of individuality.

[BiscottiGelato]

Originally Posted by LoweGear

The only time the ELS were able to counter the ESF's weapons on them being GN particle based weapons was during that initial missile attack by the absolute defense line, and even then alot of ELS still got slaughtered in that opening salvo. The ELS are shown to be not be good against blast effects and extreme high heat in general, something which GN particle weapons are good at.

As console65 mentioned, it's a huge leap to assume that the ELS are organic lifeforms, hell the scientists examining the fragments of ELS they found all refer to it as "metal", and even scoffed at the possibility of it moving under its own power, thus its unlikely the ELS have anything resembling biological tissue or such. And the ELS are shown to be travelling in space essentially "naked", where they would be constantly exposed to all forms of cosmic radiation, including gamma radiation.

Nuke isn't better in producing heat (heat is pure radiation in space, no blast no conductivity, etc) than GN particles? I don't really know how GN particle works, and what mechanism they do damage with... I always thought they are like Minovsky particle, some sort of energetic sub-atomic particle, and that they do damage via high speed penetration? Instead of being heat/radiation/energy weapons?

I think Billy and co couldn't get an understanding of how ELS is 'living' because all the ELS sample they got were already 'dead'.

Again, gamma radiation is the most harmless of the 3 types of radiations, but the most penetrative of all 3. Exposure to low intensity gamma radiation from very far distances is usually not a huge deal. Close proxmity (w/in a light year) high intensity and a crap load of them will do serious hurt tho. Close enough it probably vaporizes metal in microseconds. In space tho, I actually think alpha and beta would do more damage more quickly. Which I think nukes, both fusion and fission gives off plenty of all kinds.

[aeriolewinters]

This would mean that Aeolia's plan was reckless. He did consider the human race as 'special' and wasn't bound by his human pride, it was actually less help. the ELS wouldn't have initiated first contact had it not been for his recklessness. Every single first contact story in Sci-Fi maintained that there would be peace throughout earth in any form before first contact.

gain, gamma radiation is the most harmless of the 3 types of radiations, but the most penetrative of all 3. Exposure to low intensity gamma radiation from very far distances is usually not a huge deal. Close proxmity (w/in a light year) high intensity and a crap load of them will do serious hurt tho. Close enough it probably vaporizes metal.

GENESIS would work on it, if it was a first strike deal, right?

[SonicSP]

Originally Posted by aeriolewinters

Every single first contact story in Sci-Fi maintained that there would be peace throughout earth in any form before first contact.

If Im not mistaken, in Halo the Insurrection pretty much continued their quest for freedom from the UNSC even after the Covenant initiated their war againts them. There was of course a mistaken perception that if aliens eve attacked humanity would have united and forgo differences but the Cole Protocol novel mentions that this perception was wrong and the animiosity is worst than ever.

Of course, Earth in Halo is peaceful because it's an elitist center of the human empire but alot of the external colonies with nations/territories were still ad unhappy and vindictive as ever, so it counts as "nations of the human world" so to speak.

[BiscottiGelato]

Originally Posted by LoweGear

The only time the ELS were able to counter the ESF's weapons on them being GN particle based weapons was during that initial missile attack by the absolute defense line, and even then alot of ELS still got slaughtered in that opening salvo. The ELS are shown to be not be good against blast effects and extreme high heat in general, something which GN particle weapons are good at.

As console65 mentioned, it's a huge leap to assume that the ELS are organic lifeforms, hell the scientists examining the fragments of ELS they found all refer to it as "metal", and even scoffed at the possibility of it moving under its own power, thus its unlikely the ELS have anything resembling biological tissue or such. And the ELS are shown to be travelling in space essentially "naked", where they would be constantly exposed to all forms of cosmic radiation, including gamma radiation.

Originally Posted by aeriolewinters

This would mean that Aeolia's plan was reckless. He did consider the human race as 'special' and wasn't bound by his human pride, it was actually less help. the ELS wouldn't have initiated first contact had it not been for his recklessness. Every single first contact story in Sci-Fi maintained that there would be peace throughout earth in any form before first contact.


GENESIS would work on it, if it was a first strike deal, right?

Probably anything would work, esp when something as weak as plastic explosive was able to blow ELS Ribbons to pieces. And heating up by a red giant causes them to melt (a thousand degrees max? Surface of the sun is only about 5000 degrees, a red giant's surface cools off considerably, and they are merely 'close' to a red giant, not in contact). Problem is that the thing is huge, and we don't know of any particular spot that might be weak, that we need to destroy enough of it in order to 'kill' it... What is the radius of damage of GENESIS? We are talking about the size of our moon here...

[Kuroi Hadou]

The thing about gamma radiation is that it's near-impossible to focus into a single direction. Gamma ray lasers are closer to the "never going to happen" realm of sci-fi technology, though considering how GN Drives are supposed to work...

[Patriot's Blade]

i know this was asked before on another thread, can anyone guess how the ELS propel themselves in both atmospheric & in space?

[Kuroi Hadou]

Originally Posted by DRAGUN H.E.X.

i know this was asked before on another thread, can anyone guess how the ELS propel themselves in both atmospheric & in space?

I honestly have no idea. The only way I can think of is some kind of closed reactionless drive (which really pisses me off). Or, it could be that they use a form of solar cell, using the local star's magnetic field to move themselves. And given that they're made of a metallic substance...

[GN0010 Nosferatu]

Originally Posted by DRAGUN H.E.X.

i know this was asked before on another thread, can anyone guess how the ELS propel themselves in both atmospheric & in space?

There's no visible means of propulsion, so they must use something like...space compression? In small amounts?

That's what I came up with...

[bio9205]

Where exactly are the entrances to Raphaels' and Harute's cockpits located?

[Kuroi Hadou]

Originally Posted by bio9205

Where exactly are the entrances to Raphaels' and Harute's cockpits located?

Well I'm not sure about Raphael, but Harute's is here:

[LoweGear]

Originally Posted by BiscottiGelato

Nuke isn't better in producing heat (heat is pure radiation in space, no blast no conductivity, etc) than GN particles?

I never implied such a thing, since the quote I was referring to was not in relation to nukes, which I omitted in reply. I was only referring to GN particles also being effective in tearing up ELS due to heat and blast effects, and disputing the implication that the ELS are somehow resistant to GN particle weapons.

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Some scans from 00I 2314, showing the GNW-100A Sakibure in action:

Spoiler for Images:

So it does have the 00 Qan[T]'s transition abilities... and I find it amusing that it's designated as a GNW, like the Thrones

[pikachuwei]

GNW stands for "GN worker"?

[Kuroi Hadou]

Wow, someone either didn't do their homework or just didn't care. "GNW" is also the designation for the Throne units.