2009-04-04, 12:18 | Link #2041 |
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When you take a last stand, you're meant to die. This guy is going to a world of pain. |
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2009-04-04, 14:13 | Link #2043 |
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great... another USA shoooting spree
http://news.aol.com/article/binghamt...3155?icid=main The shooter in his early 40s just got laid off from IBM, starts shooting at a citizenship testing center.... wonder who he found sitting at his desk at IBM? Betya he got outsourced. |
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Extreme sports can kill you, the feeling of being near death releases adrenaline. Adrenaline rushes can and do become addictive--thus statistically leading extreme sportspeople towards their death. It's the same argument you're using against drugs. Not to mention that legalizing drugs would take care of the violence caused by illegal drug trade. But heck, many governments have a stake on drug traffic, so... *shrug* Quote:
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Nicotine withdrawal doesn't kill you. Cannabinoid withdrawal doesn't kill you. Even cocaine withdrawal doesn't kill you.
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2009-04-04, 14:44 | Link #2045 | |
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... that said, our government's decision to make it illegal and punishable rather than treatable (and its failure to avoid the environment conditions that encourage usage) isn't particularly intelligent. Legalization, regulation, taxation, and treatment would cut the feet out from under the whole cartel mess.
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2009-04-04, 14:48 | Link #2046 |
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If someone wants to pump a hell lot of drugs into their system, as long as there are laws and police to stop them from hurting others while they do this, why should you care and ban it, especially in the US where healthcare is self-paid. As mentioned, there are tons of things that are dangerous and bad for you, and cigarettes and gambling are just as addicting. I understand why countries with free healthcare don't want legalized drugs because its straining the budget, but if these people are paying for themselves then there's no problem.
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2009-04-04, 14:54 | Link #2047 | |
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2009-04-04, 14:59 | Link #2048 | |
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Prohibation for Alcohol in the 1920's didn't work War on Drugs in the last 30 years hasn't work either. Legalize, Tax it and Regulate it.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocaine..._of_Dependence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetamine#Addiction http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroin#Pharmacology The meth one isn't that well sourced, but the other two are. Quote:
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2009-04-04, 16:15 | Link #2051 | |
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There is a reason why people doing regular things like driving under influence have been punished severely. Even though their actions may not result in a death. Of course, no one would care if the person under influence would kill himself/herself. But, the main problem has always been their impact on other people. And, of course, if you legalize it how will you prevent the kids accessing/using them. Especially if you cannot even prevent kids using alcohol right now. Though, I would not mind seeing how the scenario would play in real life, with its actual impact on the society (a free access to guns and marijuana to emotionally undeveloped kids). By the way when you talk about legalizing access to those substances, how many people are we referring to? 100 thousand, 1 million, 10 million, etc... |
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2009-04-04, 16:36 | Link #2052 | |
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Anyway, I'm not sure why legalizing marijuana would have any effects that alchohol wouldn't. The regulations that are in place for alchohol might not be a stunning success at mitigating it's disruptive effects on society, but they're not a complete and total failure either. I don't see why similar regulations for legalized marijuana would fail any more than the ones for alchohol do. As for number of people, Wikipedia has US consumption of marijuana at 12.6% of people 15-64 in 2004. So at a very rough estimate based on that figure and assuming a total population of 300 million and 65% being in that age range, neither of which are based on anything besides sounding good, we'd be talking about 25 million people.
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2009-04-04, 17:07 | Link #2053 |
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Anyways. The question you may want to ask is whether you can justify the negative results caused by that legalization. You cannot do anything about alcohol at this moment. The best you can do is to increase the punishments even further (though that may mean increasing the prisons' capacity by at least tenfold). But, that is all. Even the best regulations that people have come up are still not enough to prevent its dangers. That is almost like a guarantee that you will also fail in regulating other substances' usage, and people's access to those substances. In such a case, you really need to provide the public with every guarantees, and let them know why these will succeed despite the ones used for alcohol consumption did not. But, giving the example of alcohol in a positive manner to legalize those substances' usage does not seem like a good approach to persuade people like me. Oh, and I am amazed at that 25 million people stats. Especially if it is being consumed despite it being considered as illegal. The irony would be those people representing the people who are swearing on the banking people because they also crossed the legal boundaries. Sweet temptations... |
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And I didn't mention either heroin or meth because those do suck. They have a pretty high chance of making your body dependent. It doesn't mean you can claim all drugs completely suck you dry. By the way, in no way I am advocating cocaine consumption. I absolutely abhor cocaine not only because it does a very good job at making you addicted, but because the effect itself seems rather pointless to me. But I'm not going to ban it because I don't like it (though I will try to persuade my friends not to take it). Quote:
Legalize the damn thing. You'll see violent crime over drug trade down. Regulate it. You'll see the number of deaths due to consumption of toxic side products go down. Educate. You'll see the number of people choosing to consume hard drugs go down. Anything else does nothing other than perpetuate the multimillionaire business that is the illegal drug market.
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2009-04-04, 21:39 | Link #2055 |
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If the drug lords have a little bit of intelligence, they will know how to stir the public to oppose that, even if it was legalized in the first place. It should not be that difficult to exploit the resulting policies, and transferring the violence towards the legal side. Also, I wonder what the bored and penniless drug gangs with nothing to do will do with all the free time and good amount of guns in their hands. Maybe, they will be hired by the police department to organize the legal drug sell.
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2009-04-04, 21:47 | Link #2056 | |
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...... You are saying this ironically, right? Right? |
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2009-04-04, 22:42 | Link #2057 |
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Yea, they're quite a great pair.
Legalize drugs, sure drugs are terrible, but the black market that's been created from it, is just terrible. I believe there was a place in the UK, that had a program for Heroin addicts. An addict would bring in a cigarette a day and have it injected with very pure, clean Heroin. The result? The crime from the Heroin trade in that location was decimated, because really, what are you doing to do? Pay for Heroin that might just be cement, or free pure Heroin from the government? The addicts could lead normal productive lives, and you wouldn't be able to tell them apart from another smoker. This information I've only heard from my teacher, I can't really say that's its a legitamite, but I believe that its a probably accurate repersentation of what's possible. Really, just allow people to learn by themselves, and if neccessary get appropriate help.
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2009-04-04, 23:12 | Link #2058 | |
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Two reasons among some of why many people don't put alcohol, cigarettes and drugs (even marijuana) in the same bag? - Because a cigarette has not some of the very bad instant effects that the drugs have or "can" have on a "certain" number of people (including majiuana. Examples for the majuana: modification of the immediate memory. False perception of time. All of that during the time when the effect of the drugs is in use, and sometimes even after that. I don't even talk about the bad effects of cocaine). The problem is not only to try to protect the people and their own body, it's also to prevent said people to do bad things to other persons while under the effects of drugs. I did see myself in highschool and in college how far it can go (people who don't remember what they did during the last night for instance. The problem? They could have harmed someone else, and they don't even remember) - Because alcohol is not only for people who wants to become drunk. If a normal adult drinks one little glass of wine or beer, he/she will likely not be drunk and not have any immediate bad effect on his/her senses and behaviors. I can also add, that now in France, it's forbidden to sell alcohol to people under 18. It's not perfect thought, but it's still something that many parents actually appreciated here in France. It's all about protecting the people. And not only the one who take drugs but also the one who could be harmed because the former are not in their "normal" state when under the effect of drugs even if they take it only once. So No, I disagree with your statement about letting people learn by themselves since there's a risk that they could harm other people by just smoking marijuana once, or taking drugs once. There's still some works to do about alcohol (for example, to not see alcohol as one entity, but to differentiate wine and vodka, for instance), I agree, but you can't compare cigarettes and alcohol to drugs just like that. Last edited by Narona; 2009-04-04 at 23:23. |
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2009-04-04, 23:17 | Link #2059 |
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http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t...53405120090405
North Korea launched its missile. It went over japan without incident |
2009-04-04, 23:20 | Link #2060 |
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N. Korea launches 'satellite' despite international pressure
North Korea finally launches the rocket.. I can't believe that North Korea is acting that way, considering that they are the ones declaring an act of aggression, yet they are going to say things the other way around if any nations dare to take their rocket launch to the UNSC. Seriously...? |
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