Pokemon Black and White

[serenade_beta]

Originally Posted by GDB

A good number of Pokemon, sure. A number of good Pokemon, definitely not. Kabutops, while relatively strong, is frail and not that fast. Sandslash is a horrible Pokemon. Your only real choices are Kabutops (frail, weak to Rotom), Blastoise (sturdy, but not too strong, weak to Rotom), and Starmie (frail, super weak to Rotom).

Sandslash isn't horrible. Of course, if you compare it to stuff like Garchomp and other pseudo-legendaries, maybe, but he isn't Marcargo.
Scarf-Sandslash can be a surprise and can take down opponents with low defenses (100 isn't low, after all), and if you focus on HP and Def, he can act as a very good physical wall. You can Stealth Rock your opponent and use Super Fang to lower their health.

Kabutops is frail and not too fast, but he has Swift Swim, meaning he does wonders in a RainDance team... I mean, Kyogre team. (After all, who doesn't use Kyogre these days in those WCS battles... *mumble* *mumble* Thanks to Nintendo allowing legendaries, no one can use their favorite Pokemon and try to win and have to use those pokemon...).
Plus, Kabutops is one of the few physical swift swim Pokemon.
Rotom? Swift Swim + Night Slash is good enough to take it out.

Yes, yes, Starmie and Blastoise are both weak to Rotom (and so is a majority of the water pokemon)... Though they are both fine Pokemon on their own, especially Starmie. Nothing to give up just because they are weak to one Pokemon.

Originally Posted by GDB

Using and using effectively/efficiently are different.

Have you watched any of the videos before saying that? Because if they were really bad and not using Gravity right, I wouldn't suggest those videos in the first place.

[GDB]

Originally Posted by serenade_beta

Sandslash isn't horrible. Of course, if you compare it to stuff like Garchomp and other pseudo-legendaries, maybe, but he isn't Marcargo.
Scarf-Sandslash can be a surprise and can take down opponents with low defenses (100 isn't low, after all), and if you focus on HP and Def, he can act as a very good physical wall. You can Stealth Rock your opponent and use Super Fang to lower their health.

I compare Sandslash not to Garchomp, but to say... Gliscor? Hippowdon? Mamoswine? Swampert? The highly used ground Pokemon. While a Choice Scarf gives him enough speed to be about equal to or just above a Sceptile, what's he doing to do once he's there? Sure, he's not as bad as Magcargo, but he's still not good.

A completely defensive Sandslash can't even take a standard lead Swampert's Waterfall. It's 2HKO'd every time, taking 54.2% - 64.4% damage per Waterfall. Granted a standard lead Swampert doesn't run Waterfall, but that's with no attack boosting nature and only 4 Attack EVs.

Kabutops is frail and not too fast, but he has Swift Swim, meaning he does wonders in a RainDance team... I mean, Kyogre team. (After all, who doesn't use Kyogre these days in those WCS battles... *mumble* *mumble* Thanks to Nintendo allowing legendaries, no one can use their favorite Pokemon and try to win and have to use those pokemon...).
Plus, Kabutops is one of the few physical swift swim Pokemon.

While I agree those new rules are bollocks, no one uses Stealth Rock in doubles. Not 4v4 doubles, at least.

Rotom? Swift Swim + Night Slash is good enough to take it out.

Depends on the builds. A pure offensive, Choice Banded Kabutops cannot 2HKO a pure defensive Rotom-A with Leftovers.

Yes, yes, Starmie and Blastoise are both weak to Rotom (and so is a majority of the water pokemon)... Though they are both fine Pokemon on their own, especially Starmie. Nothing to give up just because they are weak to one Pokemon.

If your purpose in using them is to Rapid Spin, then yes you should give up on them because they're weak to the primary ghost Pokemon (just barely edging out Gengar). Though if you plan on using them anyway, and figure you'll throw Rapid Spin on them since they're there, then sure.

Have you watched any of the videos before saying that? Because if they were really bad and not using Gravity right, I wouldn't suggest those videos in the first place.

I don't have a NicoDouga account, so can't see their videos. I just don't see much use in Gravity, even if you do want to sweep with Earthquake. Most users of that get access to Rock Slide or Stone Edge, which would take out most flying types anyway.

[serenade_beta]

Originally Posted by GDB

I compare Sandslash not to Garchomp, but to say... Gliscor? Hippowdon? Mamoswine? Swampert? The highly used ground Pokemon. While a Choice Scarf gives him enough speed to be about equal to or just above a Sceptile, what's he doing to do once he's there? Sure, he's not as bad as Magcargo, but he's still not good.

Well, you can compare them, but all of them are completely different Pokemon and have completely different movesets, so you can't say they are a better version of Sandslash. Sure, there are stronger ground Pokemon, but I'm not one to use a Pokemon just because it is strong.

What's he going to do once he's there? Attack, what else. Not sure what the question means. Attack, damage or take out the opponent, retreat, etc.

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Originally Posted by GDB

While I agree those new rules are bollocks, no one uses Stealth Rock in doubles. Not 4v4 doubles, at least.

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Originally Posted by GDB

I don't have a NicoDouga account, so can't see their videos. I just don't see much use in Gravity, even if you do want to sweep with Earthquake. Most users of that get access to Rock Slide or Stone Edge, which would take out most flying types anyway.

Romance, romance! Just because they want to! That´s why they use Gravity

[Sety]

Of course, Rotom-A is the go-to Ghost at the moment for spin blocking. But it's still insanely hard for any current spinners to threaten Dusknoir, so even if he can't threaten much they can't do anything to him either.

Point I was getting at was with how hyper offensive the game is do you really want to run another Dark weakness? In the end you'll probably want to pick only one of the 3, not saying hes useless mind you. Dusknoir is still very much used and quite useful, though I tend to play him as a Sub Puncher. Unfortunately Dynamic Punch is only available to 3rd Gen bred Dusclops.

Rotom? Swift Swim + Night Slash is good enough to take it out.

Like mentioned half the problem is Rotom forms are too bulky to easily kill and aren't slow or weak as bollocks like Dusknoir. Seriously all Dusknoir gets for STAB is Shadow Sneak, even Sucker Punch is stronger. (Shadow Punch isn't even worth mentioning)

Most users of that get access to Rock Slide or Stone Edge, which would take out most flying types anyway.

Some interesting applications if you humour me for a second.

Gravity sets up a Donphan to utterly annihilate any spin blocker not named Dusknoir. Lets not forget Donphan still packs one of the strongest EQ's in the game, it makes Rotom/Gengar think twice about switching in. Half the reason Donphan has lost usuage is he is normally completely walled by Rotom and Assurance at best is a very cruddy coverage attack.

The other big use off the top of my head is allowing Dugtrio to trap anything in the game. That alone is a huge bonus in my opinion.

Or if you play a Gengar he does lose Levitate but that doesn't stop him being useful. In exchange he can absorb Toxic Spikes and gets 100% accurate Hypnosis and Focus Blast. Don't know about you but that could quite easily cripple 2 Pokemon instantly. 1 hit the initial and usually expected Dark type revenge killer then sleep the next switch in.

[kco143]

Originally Posted by serenade_beta

*points to Battle Revolution*

Have you ever used Battle Revolution? It's horrible! The people you battle are complete noobs. I get maybe 1 or 2 decent ones. Plus you can't exactly take the wii anywhere. . .

[gummybear]

ack, I just saw the new starter pokemon for Black and White..... I am a big fan of pokemon and I am going to say "do not want" to them <.< the design is horrible, seriously, I don't mind if they use the old starter pokemon like charmander or mudkip for Black and White.....
I can see this is going to be a bad year for gaming seeing how Blizzard is butt ramping SC2 with a sand paper condom and now this shit.......

[serenade_beta]

Originally Posted by kco143

Have you ever used Battle Revolution? It's horrible! The people you battle are complete noobs. I get maybe 1 or 2 decent ones. Plus you can't exactly take the wii anywhere. . .

I used it over 200+ hours though? It's great.
You obviously didn't use it long enough. Because the majority of my battles are against good people.
You hate facing off against those noobs? Battle at like... midnight or something. You'll find more Japanese people and 9/10 of them are not noobs.

[SilverSyko]

Originally Posted by gummybear

I can see this is going to be a bad year for gaming seeing how Blizzard is butt ramping SC2 with a sand paper condom and now this shit.......

Yeah, cause the gaming industry is completely reliant on how well Pokemon and Star Craft are produced and sold.

[GDB]

Originally Posted by gummybear

ack, I just saw the new starter pokemon for Black and White..... I am a big fan of pokemon and I am going to say "do not want" to them <.< the design is horrible, seriously, I don't mind if they use the old starter pokemon like charmander or mudkip for Black and White.....

Wait for their final forms before making a judgment. Gen4's starters looked worse than these, imo, but their finals ended up being good or great.

[FDW]

Originally Posted by GDB

Wait for their final forms before making a judgment. Gen4's starters looked worse than these, imo, but their finals ended up being good or great.

I'd have agree on this, the chance to use Empoleon in battle consisted of exactly half of the reason why I purchased Diamond and Pearl. (And getting back into pokémon for the first time in 4 years. Not to mention buying my first DS.)

[kco143]

Originally Posted by serenade_beta

I used it over 200+ hours though? It's great.
You obviously didn't use it long enough. Because the majority of my battles are against good people.
You hate facing off against those noobs? Battle at like... midnight or something. You'll find more Japanese people and 9/10 of them are not noobs.

Well that's all fine and dandy. Perhaps I will try that. But I just can't fathom why Nintendo won't do something similar with their DS titles. I would have endless hours of fun if I didn't have to enter so many FC's to battle.

[fer619]

http://www.pokemon.com/blackwhite/en/

watch the end of the flash animation

Spoiler for spoiler:

the new legendaries?

[SilverSyko]

^ Yup, Reshiram and Zekrom

Spoiler for Black and White Cover Legendaries:

Funnily enough, Reshiram (the angelic sky-like one) will only be in Black Version and Zekrom (the demonic earth-like one) will only be in White Version.

This might cause a lot of people to re-think their version of choice. I know that's the case for me. D=

Also, the games are confirmed for a September 2010 release in Japan and a Spring 2011 release for North America.

[Bonta Kun]

I like them Legends now they are cool, that alone I think is enough for me to fork out for new game.

[leodamine]

gotta get black for Reshiram now =D

[C.A.]

I guess Zekrom for me.

I wonder what are their types.

[GDB]

I swear, their names sound so familiar. Like they may be derived from Egyptian, Norse, or Babylonian gods or something.

[SilverSyko]

Originally Posted by C.A.

I wonder what are their types.

Zekrom definetly looks like a Dragon/Dark type.

Hard to say what Reshiram is though, Dragon/Flying?

[FDW]

Heh, heh. Reshiram looks like it has a penis.

[darkburst]

Originally Posted by FDW

Heh, heh. Reshiram looks like it has a penis.

HAHAHA I was thinking the exact same thing! Although I don't really like the new designs so far. >.<