2009-07-29, 06:42 | Link #7681 |
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Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Formerly Iwakawa base and Chaldea. Now Teyvat, the Astral Express & the Outpost
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I'll be blunt here: coming from the Haruhi fandom, that whole God-Empress + 40k thing from a couple fo fans is ANNOYING, FREAKING ANNOYING, BLOODY ANNOYING. As a more casual fan, it put me off, it makes me cringe. I certainly do NOT come here to see the same kind of BS.
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2009-07-29, 06:56 | Link #7682 | |
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Belkans are a backwards ethnic group who are apparently willing to treat a random clone produced with DNA from a long dead king as an object of worship with no regard for her capabilities, skills, or even really how closely she’s at all related to those old kings. They’re an illogical ritualistic society whose slavish devotion to such unthinking tradition probably explains their downfall and total irrelevance on the present stage. In other words: they’re stuck in the past. Fixated on rose tinted glory days and unable to break away from them and move on into the modern world. They doom themselves to an ever increasing slide into irrelevance and most likely eventually extinction and assimilation. Indeed fear of the later is quite possibly why they cling to such foolish beliefs due to a silly notion that such things make them “different” and keep them distinct. When really all they do is further isolate and weaken them. Belka’s day is over and by continuing to cling to bygone days that will never return and venerate people from the past who were almost certainly at best morally ambiguous they merely make themselves a laughing stock. So I see no romance in the Saint Church or what has become of the Belkan ethnic group, or at least your version of it, that seems closely linked to it. I see only poor backwards people and feel only pity.
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2009-07-29, 06:57 | Link #7683 | ||
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Location: Doing Anzu's paperwork.
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To an extent it also depends on which branch of Christianity one subsribes to - most of those who venerate these relics tend to be Catholics, while Protestants merely raise an eye and shrug in confusion. As for the statues and idols of the Virgin Mary and Jesus... the thinking, at least in Anglican and Evangelical circles, is that the objects themselves have no holiness in of themsels, and have no reverential function, but are useful decorations. (which is something of an oversimplification but it's been a few years since I've discussed this with my dad and he's outstation on business so it'll be a while before I can rediscuss this with him.) Hmmm. Guess I'm not as backslidden as I thought. Quote:
Seconded. Hell, the damn show is trying to give Vivio a normal girl life. She's a little girl whose gone through a traumatic experience and needs to lead a normal life. Let her be normal, let her be a little girl. Don't force her to be something she's not. That little girl is Vivio Takamachi, daughter of Nanoha Takamachi. No more, no less. There is no such thing as a holy war. There is nothing holy about war. It is something that has to be done.
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2009-07-29, 07:13 | Link #7684 | |
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Join Date: Oct 2006
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Whether one considers something as "holy" or "sacred" is dependent on the person's perspective and beliefs. It is a subjective label afterall, and not an objective trait. Hence, nothing's stopping a person from considering something as "holy", no matter what the object in question is or its origins.
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2009-07-29, 07:18 | Link #7686 |
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Join Date: Oct 2006
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"Actual Holiness"?
There's no such thing, since as already pointed out what is "Holy" and what is not is, to the objective mind, dependent on the person's views of that constitutes "Holy" and what is not. Unless someone can truly confirm the existence of God using scientific and objective methods with no room for doubt, and of what objects he has blessed as "Holy", there's nothing in this world that can be objectively be considered "Holy." Even then though, because "Holiness" as a concept is inherently subjective, some people may even see said objects as "Unholy" instead. It has everything to do with people, because "Holiness" is in a person's mind.
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2009-07-29, 07:23 | Link #7687 |
~ Your Smile ~
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Location: 346Pro
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This has certainly caught fire! Can't reply properly since this is just a mobile phone, but just a sidenote to add:
Yes, yes, I recognize all these views and yes they will be explored, from the perspectives of Belka and Midchilda, believers and non-believers alike. I don’t expect to convert you all, but I at least expect to develop the entire multiverse in its rightful technicolor. But you guys know my restrictions. Until I achieve something concrete, I’ll have to go with the prevailing (and regrettably divisive) perspective. As much as I love to write, I love my Medicine degree a hell lot more that my Kaiser has to wait.
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2009-07-29, 07:24 | Link #7688 | |
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2009-07-29, 07:25 | Link #7689 |
Truth Martyr
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Location: Doing Anzu's paperwork.
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Of course there's no such thing as Actual Holiness, I'm glad we both agree on that. (With the caveat as TK mentioned, unless it's something conclusively proven to have been created and sanctified and blessed by the Almighty, but good lukc finding something like that in the real world.)
And of course there are things that are unholy. 2chan is one of them. As for holiness... the general rule that's been taught to me, is that holiness is not the state of an object; holiness is manifested through your behaviour and conduct. (Yes yes, I've failed that one already, hence why I don't talk about it much. )
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2009-07-29, 07:32 | Link #7690 |
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Remember that in canon, there are people within the Belkan Saint Church who consider Vivio to be the reborn Saint-King of Belka.
So it's not just a fan perception/WH40k nonsense. It's actually canon. Which should end this argument.
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2009-07-29, 07:36 | Link #7691 | |
Truth Martyr
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What is being disputed is whether Vivio herself possesses any divinity or not. TK and I are in the camp that says "No, she may be venerated, but she has no divinity." Let's keep in mind that moeblob though she is, she's an imperfect clone. Hardly the Sankt Kaiser reborn, IMO.
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2009-07-29, 07:38 | Link #7692 |
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Oh you mean THAT! Of course not lol I've taken the holy magic out of the little girl. She could learn some in future if she wants to, or gain some artefact that gives her access to some Light-smiting ass-kickery, but definitely not now. Unless Force or Vivid change the status quo.
But her being depicted and venerated by some as a reborn kaiser? Like hell I'm EVER gonna revoke that! EDIT: When is To Aru Kagaku no Railgun coming out? I'm dying for my Misaka fix.
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the "Z" is for "Zeta"
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The Sankt Kaiser was called that way because he/she/whatever stopped the wars and unified Belka, just that.
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2009-07-29, 10:05 | Link #7694 |
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Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: New Brunswick
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Er, guys I think you're mistaking the Christian concept of holiness/divinity with the Japanese concept of holiness/divinity. To the Japanese eyes, someone mortal and decidedly not divine/holy can be made holy/divine if a person did great things and people wish to venerate and honor their accomplishments. I don't think anyone in the Saint Church regards Vivio/Sankt Kaiser as GOD or even the Child of GOD. They worship the Sankt Kaiser and her past deeds as if she had become a 'god'. Examples would include say the Roman god "Augustus" and the Chinese god "Guan Yu". I think these guys are better example of what the Saint Church is aiming for...
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2009-07-29, 10:58 | Link #7695 |
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Location: [SWE]
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Going together with The Cancri Index, the Armory is currently being written. It will contain almost all information regarding the hardware the Cancri State Military uses (except numbers and pics). I will integrate it both as as a separate post and into the Cancri Index.
Moving on from there, below is tiny article describing the uniform most Cancri State soldiers has. It's my version of the Nanoverse BJ and has some inspiration/concepts taken from fictional Power Armor/Exoskeleton. Spoiler for L9 Military Uniform:
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2009-07-29, 12:03 | Link #7697 | |
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Internet is b0rken! Expect choppy replies done only when I get to internet capable computers until it's fixed.
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I myself am in the non-divinity camp. I regard Vivio as the Pharaoh, whom were believed to be gods by their people, but were flesh and blood just like anyone else. This does not change with the God Empress crack, because I view the God Emperor the same way: A powerful man who is simply being revered as a god after his death, despite never having been one. Quote:
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2009-07-29, 13:00 | Link #7700 |
He Who Smites Shippers
Join Date: Mar 2008
Age: 36
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*Comar returns amid much rejoicing!*
Monty Python Extras: Yay. Well well well, I seem to have stumbled into a bit of a firefight here. For what it's worth, I'm with Kero on the "mortal goddess" theory; I've always (well... recently, at least) regarded the Kaiser as being closer to a militant Ghandi than Space Jesus in terms of why she's so revered. So what's been going on in my absence?
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