2012-07-23, 16:58 | Link #1342 | |
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But I agree with DezoPenguin. Both needs to be slapped with a tuna. I'm just tired of seeing a one side bash of Yui here when it's obvious Yuuya have his own share in the problem.
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2012-07-23, 17:00 | Link #1343 | |
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then again maybe its because of the War stress thingy |
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2012-07-23, 17:02 | Link #1344 | ||
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2012-07-23, 17:22 | Link #1346 | |
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Yeah, if some random new boss comes up to me and tells me "I'm disappointed" in the most offensive tone possible (again, she constantly uses "kisama" when addressing him, which is far from a polite way of addressing someone) and walks of I'd be going "who the hell does that bitch think she is?" too. Yui fired the first shot, then proceeds to harass him through every means without ever properly explaining why she pulls the crap she does (well, aside from the ever lovely "you're not Japanes enough") to further antagonize him. Quote:
Genetically speaking, race has nothing to do with culture. Someone being born of parents of a different genetic race means nothing for their cultural focus. Whether someone chooses to identify himself with the culture of his or her parents is their own choice. Like I said, this is where racism comes from, because this line of thinking is reeaaally easily translated into that realm (and indeed, we see some of that here in this episode). Illustrating with an example: Black people mostly originate from Africa. Ergo, anyone with negro genes is by default African and should act like an African. Sounds stupid? Well, that's the line of thinking you're using to validate Yui's complaints about Yuuyi's race. Just because his father was Japanese, he must by default accept that when people say he's Japanese, he's Japanese. Hell no. He's part Asian. Big difference. He was born in America, he grew up in America, he has an American passport, acts according to the American culture, he is an American. Period. There is absolutely zero reason for him to bow down and start acting Japanese outside of his own choice. Quote:
Yuuya had every right and power to nuke her career then and there, instead he kept giving clipped responses. Rude? Yes. Still less rude than being a complete racist? Ooooh hell yes. Hell, everyone else was surprised Yuuyi didn't just deck the girl after that exchange. Quote:
And of course he's going to rant on the flaws of the machine. He's a test pilot. His entire career is based on finding faults in mechs so designers can fix them. Yet Yui seems to be blissfully ignorant of that fact, and instead orders him to change to adjust the machine. Dur? The entire reason he was brought in on this project was to be a test pilot. She just nuked his entire purpose here. And when he decided to do his job and gave feedback on the machine, rude as it was, what was the response? "Deal with it. We can handle it, so can you." Er... no. Just... no. You don't ignore feedback of the test pilot you brought in for that purpose. And no, the flaws of the machine do not "make sense." Like Tk said a few posts back, if a pilot has to fight the machine as much as the enemy, the designers of the machine have done a bad job. Saying "but well, with MORE TRAINING! you can learn to overcome its flaws!" is not an argument. That's not even sidestepping the issue, it's outright ignoring it. Quote:
I'd say merely being rude in return would be a mild reaction. Bottomline: Is Yuuya being a rude prick? Yes. Yes he is. Does Yui up the ante in an aim to become an even bigger bitch? Yes. Yes she does. |
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2012-07-23, 17:36 | Link #1348 | |
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Anyways in terms of Yui's response, it was still started by Yuuya: Spoiler:
If he had responsed in a respectful manner to Yui to her questions, would you think she have said such racist crap to him? His actions offended her greatly, in tern, she offended him back greatly. If he had also spoke about the Fubuki's weakness with a more respectful tone, would the same thing have happened again? What he was implying while smirking was: "The TSF that were developed by the Japanese is a piece of Junk". We wasn't ranting about it in a way that is meant to help the development but ranting in a way to insult Yui. Which is why they did a closeup of his smirk. Yui caught that smirk which results in more problems between the two. That's why I will say again but both of them needs to get slapped by tuna. Also his friend was questioning about why he did not punch her not because he is a brash guy. In terms of the Asian thing, I never said anything about it to use for Yui. All I'm trying to say was explaining Yuuya's problem regarding his identity. So nothing else to add there.
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2012-07-23, 17:41 | Link #1351 |
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I think that Yuuya actually has a legitimate complaint against Yui whenever she brought up the "race card" into her evaluation of Yuuya. Being a superior officer does not giver Yui the freedom call Yuuya an "embarrassment to the Japanese race". Yui isn't taking into consideration into Yuuya's background even though she has his files and knows that he was born in America, raised in America, and that his Japanese father left him at an early age.
And people keep saying that Yuuya is disrespecting Yui, but I really don't see it. By the end of episode 3 Yuuya says in a sarcastic tone about his piloting proficiency and interrupted jab at Japan's TSF. It wasn't specifically direct at Yui, but more about Japan in general, again not sure how that is disrespecting a superior officer or to Yui specifically.
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2012-07-23, 17:47 | Link #1353 | |
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Also I'm sure she already took into account of his records. It's just they will need him to test Shiranui later on, a Japanese TSF. Since it's not ready, in the meantime, practice using the Fubuki, a Japanese practice unit. It's so that he could get used to piloting a Japanese unit I assume. Instead he's like, "Have you look at my records?" "Why am I piloting such a thing?!" and in the end he could not pilot the unit very well either. No kidding. We need those crazy girls back. I want this whole Yuuya vs Yui thing resolve soon so we can have more fun afterwards with those two joining in more hehe.
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2012-07-23, 17:52 | Link #1355 | |
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Also Yuuya isn't being a jerk once or twice. He's being a jerk over and over and over again to who? His superior officer. Sure she could have handle it better but... he's not helping. And oh, he's not being a jerk. He's being a rude ass prick. And she's being a bitch.
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2012-07-23, 17:54 | Link #1357 | |
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But then again, this is why I want to see Yui try to fly an American TSF, to see if she can immediately grasp its control set-up. I'd anticipate her trying to dodge, not exerting enough force to make the TSF move, and getting hit, or trying to delicately dance around enemies and running smack into them. This isn't about pilot skill level or about which set-up is objectively superior, it's about two different militaries having completely different tactical paradigms and having equipment which they feel best suits them. If you ask me, Yui's real problem here is that on some level she seems to be convinced that because Yuuya is half-Japanese, he should somehow be able to pick up on those differences quickly and fight in the tactical style of a Japanese Imperial Army pilot, that she's decided for whatever reason ("she's a racist bastard" springs to mind, but I don't think we're supposed to assume that about a lead heroine so I'll set it aside for now) that Yuuya "isn't Japanese enough" for his genetic heritage, ignoring the fact that there's no reason why he rationally would be. Edit: Yeah, I'll third the motion. Let's have more Cryska and Inia screentime while Yuuya and Yui are getting their character development to be less jackassy (preferably away from each other, where they're both apparently fine).
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2012-07-23, 17:58 | Link #1359 |
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I think people are forgetting what happened in episode 3 between Yui and Yuuya, in their first interactions:
In epi. 3, its clear that Yuuya does not like Yui as soon as he notices that she is Japanese in the briefing. The next time they interact is after the 2v2 in the hallway, where Yui stops Yuuya. Yuuya is clearly upset with having to interact with Yui, but he puts on a smile and sarcastically asks "Did you enjoy seeing the latest in American combat manuverability, Lt.? I suppose the Empire's TSFs . . ." Yui cuts him off with "I'm disappointed, Ensign Bridges. To think I have to entrust the future of the Empire to someone like you [kisama] . . ." I think it's clear that Yuuya was predisposed to dislike Yui because she is Japanese, but Yuuya was at least trying to be professional. Yui was entirely unprofessional in her comments to Yuuya (especially, as Keroko mentioned, using "kisama"). Once she dropped all pretense of being professional towards Yuuya, he more than happily did the same to Yui. |
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Lock them all together and lets see what's happens next.
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