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View Poll Results: Shakugan no Shana II - Episode 20 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 62 | 57.94% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 30 | 28.04% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 11 | 10.28% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 2 | 1.87% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 2 | 1.87% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2008-03-05, 19:06 | Link #123 |
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I think the problem is that you guys are taking opinions too fast. We have seen Sabbrac basically just in this episode, and some are saying he is the best villain and some don't like him. At least that is my opinion.
Well, I just hope he survives and appears on more episodes, I want to see more of him. |
2008-03-05, 21:09 | Link #124 | |||
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After complaints regarding the earlier episodes of being horrifyingly slow and Konoe-laden with what people consider 'little relation to the entire plot', it isn't all that surprising that when someone comes along to give us a good piece of action, some of us will go a little overboard with the praise or simply consider a 'boring' villain to be the best. How long has Wilhelmina lived as a Flame Haze? Perhaps at least a thousand years? I'm inclined to believe that Sabrac has a longer lifespan than her, and when your job gets a little too easy it tends to get boring somewhere along those millenia-odd years. Ahn_Minh might be right in saying Sabrac is too boring; No backstory is what I find boring, though, since it's even more boring watching the Flame Hazes destroy their opponents with relative ease. In a way, I find watching a struggling Wilhelmina trying to a find a way to beat an opponent she was unable to ever since they met interesting. |
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2008-03-05, 21:27 | Link #125 |
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Anyone wonder why the villians in Shana let your opponents talk so much and give chance after chance to the enemy? (Well not just Shana, really almost all Anime).
It annoys me a lot to sit there and think how stupid these villians are. What kind of assassin takes 25+ minutes to kill an opponent? Anyone know of an Anime where the Villians are truely evil and smart? But then I guess the story would end. I would just like to see an Anime reflecting how it would turn out in real life where the enemy really goes for the kill at the first opening. |
2008-03-05, 21:46 | Link #128 |
is this so?
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Episode 20 is the best episode in the series in terms of action so far.
Zabrac is powerful, totally overwhelming and with an interesting personality too. I wonder how'd they defeat someone that strong? I'm fairly impressed at Wilhelmina as well for standing up to Zabrac, although it seems she has almost no chance alone. Maybe on 21 they'd all fight Sabrac and they'd manage to win somehow.
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2008-03-05, 22:56 | Link #130 | |
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I'm pretty sure it will be quite entertaining if, let's say, Sabrac, Syndonay or even Bel-Peol doesn't say a single word, charges in wordlessly and fights a battle with our heroes. I mean, hey, it isn't interesting if villains actually have some personalities, right? I'm not trying to putting you down, seirously, but through dialogue and conversation for the characters in a story, you can ascertain what kind of personality the character has and how he reacts in different situations. No dialogue, no interaction and all we have is action, action and action. Where's the depth of character? Obviously, Sabrac would be viewed as more professional if he just ignored Wilhelmina's questions and went in for the kill, but this is entertainment and bits of information for the audiences, else certain viewers who might feel as though Sabrac's appearance was totally random would consider it a big plot hole. |
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2008-03-05, 23:00 | Link #131 |
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This episode was incredibly awesome, the action was top-notch and I almost pulled a Darth Vader when the episode ended.
Sabrac is awesome, gotta love a villain with style, Wilhelmina sure is awesome as well, definitely nice to see her pull out such awesome moves.
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2008-03-06, 01:35 | Link #132 | |
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2008-03-06, 02:29 | Link #133 | |
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I don't find Sabrac boring, he's fine. The fight lasting more than this episode after taking up almost its entirety just bothers me. |
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2008-03-06, 05:23 | Link #135 | |
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2008-03-06, 09:09 | Link #136 | |
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First, the power level was incredibly off. Wilhelmina had like an incredible stamina despite the wounds and Stigma applied, plus the fact she has to keep defense and levitation on both herself and Yuuji (that said, since when Wilhelmina could have such float power for so long?). Wilhelmina hardly changed/trained much from the start. Despite this, she is like two times or even thrice as "powerful/combative" than in season one. Second, is like you said, Sabrac is hardly an assassin. He is basically a spammer which is more like a diversion than anything else. For my taste however, it is even worse when Sabrac is so talkative and extremely laid back. FFS, I don't get why he indulge himself in such ridiculous and meaningless talk, but also such passive stance during the "chases" (no seriously, surfing on his flame was the most ridiculous scenes ever in this episode). While wilhelmina was commendable on her tenacity, it is moot when her opponent is such a slowpoke tank like he is. Finally, the animation of this episode was truely back on season 1: tons of still shot, recycled animation, giant flame to mask blunders etc. This episode was hardly thrilling and it was even worse with stupid tidbits like Shana and Kazumi chit chatting in such situation (i would have expected alastor scolding her hard, but nope), etc. In term of "awesomeness", Belpeol and Sydonay are way much better in term of adrenaline. And Friagne is largely more sly and prepared than sabrac. Heck, I even felt Friagne "passive" stance in season one (not the movie though) much more convincing than sabrac all together. A mediocre episode earning a 4 in my books.
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2008-03-06, 10:21 | Link #137 | ||
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I wouldn't ignore the possibility that this episode might actually be meant as an excuse for her to take the spotlight in action scenes, though. When it comes to nitpicking for detail and consistency, it would admittingly feel a little contrived with the way they fought (Makes me wonder how she dished it out with Sabrac in the novels, and if it was truly so explosive and grand as that). Quote:
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2008-03-06, 11:07 | Link #138 | |
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Anyway, the important point here is that he is not the new guy, Sabrac.
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2008-03-07, 22:02 | Link #140 |
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I watched ep 20 and i have to say the action was quite nice but Sabrac's fighting style lacks variety. Wilhemina was interesting on the other hand as she uses all sorts of tactics to defeat Sabrac.
The one thing I have a problem with was why was Shana Calmly talking to Yoshida when she could sense that Wilhemina was fighting against Sabrac one of the strongest King of Guze? Also considering that Yuji is with Wilhemina I would of expected Shana to fly to their side...
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