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Perfect 10 | 27 | 32.53% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 43 | 51.81% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 8 | 9.64% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 5 | 6.02% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2013-06-23, 15:09 | Link #41 | |
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"Yeah, here you go new leader! Magic key that will save us!" "What does it do?" "Save us!" "How?" Who cares!" |
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2013-06-23, 15:10 | Link #42 | |
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Anyways, looks like all the budget cuts from last episode were saved for this episode an the finale. |
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2013-06-23, 15:32 | Link #44 |
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My speculation is the golden key is some kinda access to an orbital launch device similar to historical video when the Evolved nation is sending crafts to space so Striker and Chamber will self destruct in space. Those 2 advanced war machines should have tremendous energy source as propulsion and if even one of them exploded on Earth, it would be equalivent to multiple current modern nuclear rounds in terms of sheer destruction.
Nice ending: Ledo/Red decides to stay on Gargantia and becomes intimate with Amy after Chamber ejected him out of the cockpit to fulfill its last mission in protecting the pilot while it hugged Striker to the orbit for self destruct sequence Bad ending: In last ditch effort to defeat the rogue war machine, Ledo/Red with his mecha hugged Striker, shoots into orbit and self destruct - a noble self sacrifice. Crazy ending: GA or Space Hideauze appears in the orbit.
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2013-06-23, 15:37 | Link #45 | |
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2013-06-23, 15:42 | Link #46 |
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Enjoyable episode, but it just helps the whole series seem rushed and shallower than it could have been. Perhaps it's just my romance-oholism, but it seems to me that they wasted a lot of time through the series that they could have used to develop more of an emotional relationship between Ledo and Amy. Now we get reveal 1 (Kugel's survival), reveal 2 (his non-survival) and reveal 3 (the key) in three episodes.
Great quick-flying fighting scenes. Good partial rehabilitation for both the Lobster Lady and Pinion. Personally, I want the whale-squids to emerge as intelligent and befriendable, but that would be another too-quick reveal. Maybe the key calls in the whale-squids? I'm perfectly happy that Kugel is dead and a machine caliber other than Chamber is the bad buy. But the way Chamber found justification for obeying Ledo rather than the representative of his former rulers seemed a bit of a trick. Fine series, but like many, it could have been better.
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2013-06-23, 15:47 | Link #47 |
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I don't really get why Chamber is unable to comprehend the legitimacy of going against Commander's orders. Technically speaking, a soldier has to obey whatever his Commander's order is, and disregarding it means treason. A computer should understand at least that much, or the GA forgot to program him before he left the factory?
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2013-06-23, 15:49 | Link #48 |
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Join Date: Jan 2006
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I'm disappointed Kugel is dead. I think it would have been far more interesting to have a long back and forth between him & Ledo about what the proper society is for the earthlings. Now it just feels black vs white with the computer blindly following GA protocol, instead of Kugel believing the GA way needed to be carried out on Gargantia.
I suppose there's only 1 episode left, so they just did not have time for that .. Honestly I'm not much of fan of either GA or Gargantia's current society (though I can excuse GA more in their actual evironment than Gargantia on Earth). I hope they will at least hint that something between "happy go lucky with no real progress" and "space nazis" is possible for Earth. Even if Chamber is destroyed, there's always Pinion and his machines I suppose. |
2013-06-23, 15:57 | Link #49 | |
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Chamber could conclude and perhaps did, that "Kugel"'s actions could be seen as corrupt, and as the next highest ranking GA officer, Ledo could be authorized to remove "Kugel" from command. |
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2013-06-23, 16:08 | Link #50 |
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haha so the Endboss is Striker Machina, seem due to the death of Kugel and without any guidance it developes an own will to pacify the planet and make it 2nd avalon... somehow it makes me fear that the real Avalon and the GA could have the same fate... somewhere a computer AI is controlling the humans to eradicate the Hideauze just to have the human having a task... Matrix/Terminator somehow...living while being controlled.
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2013-06-23, 16:30 | Link #52 |
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It figures that death is an endemic disease. The question is, when did Kugel die? Judging from the long hair and unshaven face, he was alive for a while since he entered that Striker. Did the MC Caliber kill him or was it other causes? He decomposed immediately after exposure to atmosphere while he seemed peacefully asleep. Sure it was dramatic, seemed kind of pointless to preserve the body unless (a) he was in stasis when he died (b) the MC was trying to preserve him for revival by an expert medical team.
The least ominous possibility, Striker put Kugel in stasis like Chamber did to Ledo when they went through the wormhole. Kugel couldn't be revived, so it went into "autopilot" which makes sense to keep the command structure operating despite the death of the superior officer. Of course, another officer can later assume command ... they could have "ai shotgun" programs for rogue MC like those omega worms in the Bolo series. Most ominous possibility, Kugel has been dead since the before of the last battle. Space human bodies are flawed and do not work passed a certain service length. Which is why they are meant to reproduce once they reach 16. Ledo will learn he won't live beyond 2x age like Kugel. The GA is a human farm. The Stairway to Heaven looks like it could be a power receiver. I'd imagine you need a lot of energy to fire magnetic space launchers. It may even be externally powered by orbiting solar collectors. Of course it is too strong to use for powering office equipment and ships in its original form. But may be able to pick up trickle charges from the sea galaxies which you could use to power a floating city. Once you use the key, you turn the core of gargantia into a spinal gun /yamato cannon with dire consequences. Which would further explain the indifference to Ledo's firepower in the start of the series, they had this trump card. |
2013-06-23, 16:42 | Link #53 |
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So a rebellion just happened without any build up? Not that I am complaining though, this series was overdue for an action scene and it looks the wait was worth it depending on how they finish it next week. Either way, Surfing Lobster has now been mass produced.
On a related note I don't care if there is a massive casualty rate next episode or not just because of this Gen guy being on staff. I also don't see how people are calling this series dark/murder-fest, only two named people died so far. |
2013-06-23, 16:42 | Link #54 |
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At first I was disappointed because it turned out Kugel was just out to create his own slice of paradise inspired by self-centeredness and megalomania. Order without purpose, a cargo cult-like imitation of the GA.
And then I was even more disappointed because it turned out it was just an AI gone crazy. Why couldn't it have been a compelling villain with valid reasons for his actions? |
2013-06-23, 16:49 | Link #55 | |
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Terrorist attack ...enforce martial law ... reduce civil liberties for greater protection until terror "goes away". Natural disaster ... enforce rationing until resources are in surplus. Sound familiar? It's not the right way to live. But it is a way to live ... some people say this is justifiable ... other will argue it isn't. My bar for humanity is a bit higher than merely living and breathing ... an acquired first world mentality. |
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2013-06-23, 16:57 | Link #56 | |
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2013-06-23, 17:00 | Link #57 | |
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2013-06-23, 17:07 | Link #58 | |
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I'm saying the deception may be built in to the command units. It's running as designed. What we view as crazy is something a person up the chain decided was an expedient solution. In "emergency" situations some humans program in weird things that appear justifiable in their context. If you see an injured fellow, the human response should be to aid him. But if the cause of his injury, say a fire / tiger/ sniper, is also a threat to your survival it may prevent you from rendering aid. Until the story ends, this reason may still be lurking. |
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2013-06-23, 17:17 | Link #60 |
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The beauty of sci-fi it exposes both the optimism and frailty of humans. We live with these kinds of problems everyday. Everytime I travel by plane I see these compromises in action. Someone from a different time would say we are crazy ... who is sane ... the "crazy" fellow or the person arguing with him?
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