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Gary29 · 2014-04-29, 14:35

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Originally Posted by sunsengnim

yes, Issei removed the curse but that doesn't mean the next users will be able to use juggernaut overdrive safely... illigal move trident is unique to Issei and he's the only one who will ever be able to use it because of his multiple mutated pieces.

the curse made the juggernaut overdrive users run wild and mad with rage it did not take their life force that's what juggernaut overdrive does because of the immense power trying to consume the user.

so no the next boosted gear users will still have to pay the price to use it.

I may have misread your post, but what does Triana have to do with the safety of future users using JD? Yes, Triana and CCQ are unique to Ise and no other Sekiryuutei will ever have access to those powers, but the past users of BG won't ever return either. They sacrificed themselves to save Ise from Samael's curse in volume 12, they're gone. Since they are gone, the curse of JD is lifted. Ise may not have the capability to use JD anymore, but future Sekiryuutei will. And there won't be any past possessors' hatred to provide JD's curse.

Even so, I have a strong feeling that there won't be any future Sekiryuutei. Ise's a Dragon, which means that he can't die unless killed (does a Devil's lifespan overwrite that?). Since Ise's already fighting God-Class enemies, there won't be very many people who could stand a chance against him, much less against him, his peerage, and the Gremory group... not to mention the Infinite Dragon Twins

sunsengnim · 2014-04-30, 05:09

i mentioned triana because that's what Issei's answer was to juggernaut drive the curse only tempted/forced users of JD into madness wich means they'd stay in it till their life force was drained.

the usage of JD STILL requires huge amounts of life force/demonic power w/e to use.

triana was issei's upgrade from JD since triana doesn't have a price to use except stamina.

people seem to mistake that the curse drains your life force that's wrong the usage of JD itself drains it.

since it's unlocking a seal to harness huge amounts of power the users body isn't used to and the user most likely can barely control wich means staying in it too long means they'd lose their life because of the power devouring the user.

wich the curse forced them to do wich means the usage of JD will never be truly "safe" since all the curse did is force them into JD and blind them with rage until they lost their lives because of JD itself consuming the user.

kusabireika · 2014-04-30, 06:48

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Originally Posted by sunsengnim

i mentioned triana because that's what Issei's answer was to juggernaut drive the curse only tempted/forced users of JD into madness wich means they'd stay in it till their life force was drained.

the usage of JD STILL requires huge amounts of life force/demonic power w/e to use.

triana was issei's upgrade from JD since triana doesn't have a price to use except stamina.

people seem to mistake that the curse drains your life force that's wrong the usage of JD itself drains it.

since it's unlocking a seal to harness huge amounts of power the users body isn't used to and the user most likely can barely control wich means staying in it too long means they'd lose their life because of the power devouring the user.

wich the curse forced them to do wich means the usage of JD will never be truly "safe" since all the curse did is force them into JD and blind them with rage until they lost their lives because of JD itself consuming the user.

The exception of this rule is vali who subdue the former host of dd, like issei his problem is stamina not his life this is the answer he get from using jd ^-^ though I think I might say due to heritage

aw454wtr · 2014-04-30, 08:51

Does the Break down the beast in other SG's have the same curse or going berzerk as Juggernaut drive?

jopjopjop · 2014-04-30, 09:03

Yes.

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Just like Juggernaut-Drive, it will drain your life force and eventually kill you after going berserk.”

vlade · 2014-04-30, 14:11

btw Junggernaut Drive are only for DD &BG right or anything with dragon inside the SG. i forget about it

aw454wtr · 2014-04-30, 14:23

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Originally Posted by vlade

btw Junggernaut Drive are only for DD &BG right or anything with dragon inside the SG. i forget about it

So does saji's absorption line, which is also dragon type also have juggernaut drive?

DocBernax2814 · 2014-04-30, 16:15

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Originally Posted by aw454wtr

So does saji's absorption line, which is also dragon type also have juggernaut drive?

More likely a berserk mode.

Tbolt · 2014-04-30, 17:24

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Originally Posted by DocBernax2814

More likely a berserk mode.

Thats just great Saji could barely control his regular mode and now he ges BB. It should get fun from now on.

Gary29 · 2014-04-30, 17:53

If I remember correctly his berserk mode was Vritra Promotion, but since BB is more powerful he'll probably just be using that from now. VP could be considered a weaker version of Break Down the Beast / Juggernaut Drive, focusing on Vritra's techniques instead of raw power like the others.

Saji should be able to handle BB without going crazy, since he's managed to control VP pretty well and he didn't go berserk in volume 17.

kusabireika · 2014-04-30, 17:59

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Originally Posted by Gary29

If I remember correctly his berserk mode was Vritra Promotion, but since BB is more powerful he'll probably just be using that from now. VP could be considered a weaker version of Break Down the Beast / Juggernaut Drive, focusing on Vritra's techniques instead of raw power like the others.

Saji should be able to handle BB without going crazy, since he's managed to control VP pretty well and he didn't go berserk in volume 17.

Do wonder if the past host of vitra 4 sg before fusion have curse ._. I mean negative feelings of the past host, if yes then saji is very unlucky because he has double the amount of the past user unlike bg & dd

Tbolt · 2014-04-30, 19:14

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Originally Posted by kusabireika

Do wonder if the past host of vitra 4 sg before fusion have curse ._. I mean negative feelings of the past host, if yes then saji is very unlucky because he has double the amount of the past user unlike bg & dd

And i bet they have a leg fetish!

kusabireika · 2014-04-30, 19:34

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Originally Posted by Tbolt

And i bet they have a leg fetish!

^ why did you say that im curious

G147 · 2014-04-30, 20:19

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Originally Posted by vlade

btw Junggernaut Drive are only for DD &BG right or anything with dragon inside the SG. i forget about it

Juggernaut Drive is unique to Boosted Gear and Divine Dividing. For other Sacred Gears with beings sealed in it, theirs is called Breakdown the Beast serves in the same way as Juggernaut Drive.

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Originally Posted by aw454wtr

So does saji's absorption line, which is also dragon type also have juggernaut drive?

No, since Vritra was dormant till recently, so it's not implanted with the Breakdown the Beast function.

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Originally Posted by Gary29

If I remember correctly his berserk mode was Vritra Promotion, but since BB is more powerful he'll probably just be using that from now. VP could be considered a weaker version of Break Down the Beast / Juggernaut Drive, focusing on Vritra's techniques instead of raw power like the others.

Saji should be able to handle BB without going crazy, since he's managed to control VP pretty well and he didn't go berserk in volume 17.

Actually the Vritra Promotion isn't a berserker mode, Saji just can't control the power, Saji didn't lost his sanity or anything like Issei did when he awakened his JD.

Tbolt · 2014-04-30, 20:52

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^ why did you say that im curious

Well we have the Oppai Dragon and the Ketsu Dragon and now the Kakyaku Dragon.

But only if they like legs.

luna_maya · 2014-04-30, 20:54

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Well we have the Oppai Dragon and the Ketsu Dragon and now the Kakyaku Dragon.

But only if they like legs.

^ did you forget fanrir

the pantsu dragon

Tbolt · 2014-04-30, 21:32

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Originally Posted by luna_maya

^ did you forget fanrir

the pantsu dragon

True true was trying to translate legs and forgot about Pantsu Dragon.

jopjopjop · 2014-05-01, 03:31

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Originally Posted by kusabireika

Do wonder if the past host of vitra 4 sg before fusion have curse ._. I mean negative feelings of the past host, if yes then saji is very unlucky because he has double the amount of the past user unlike bg & dd

Just because DD and BG's past hosts' consciousness or something are inside the Sacred Gear doesn't mean that all Sacred Gear has their past hosts sealed inside them too.

vlade · 2014-05-01, 05:21

i think past host conscioness only live at SG that had JD and BDtB. well because this happen when they want to destroy their enemies

aw454wtr · 2014-05-16, 11:31

How strong was kokabiel in comparison to the other grigori leaders?

Vali easily beat him, heck Ise in his incomplete BB gave vali more of a challenge than kokabiel at full power

reading vol 3 again, I LOL'ed when kokabiel said he want to fight sirzechs or serafall, I'd doubt kokabiel could last 5 seconds against either of them

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sunsengnim Highschool DxD Fanboy Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Belgium	i mentioned triana because that's what Issei's answer was to juggernaut drive the curse only tempted/forced users of JD into madness wich means they'd stay in it till their life force was drained. the usage of JD STILL requires huge amounts of life force/demonic power w/e to use. triana was issei's upgrade from JD since triana doesn't have a price to use except stamina. people seem to mistake that the curse drains your life force that's wrong the usage of JD itself drains it. since it's unlocking a seal to harness huge amounts of power the users body isn't used to and the user most likely can barely control wich means staying in it too long means they'd lose their life because of the power devouring the user. wich the curse forced them to do wich means the usage of JD will never be truly "safe" since all the curse did is force them into JD and blind them with rage until they lost their lives because of JD itself consuming the user. __________________

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Gary29 Not Bennia Lover Join Date: Oct 2013 Age: 26	If I remember correctly his berserk mode was Vritra Promotion, but since BB is more powerful he'll probably just be using that from now. VP could be considered a weaker version of Break Down the Beast / Juggernaut Drive, focusing on Vritra's techniques instead of raw power like the others. Saji should be able to handle BB without going crazy, since he's managed to control VP pretty well and he didn't go berserk in volume 17. __________________ Crom Cruach 4 Ise's Queen

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aw454wtr Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2014	Does the Break down the beast in other SG's have the same curse or going berzerk as Juggernaut drive?

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vlade Member Join Date: Feb 2014	btw Junggernaut Drive are only for DD &BG right or anything with dragon inside the SG. i forget about it

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vlade Member Join Date: Feb 2014	i think past host conscioness only live at SG that had JD and BDtB. well because this happen when they want to destroy their enemies

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aw454wtr Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2014	How strong was kokabiel in comparison to the other grigori leaders? Vali easily beat him, heck Ise in his incomplete BB gave vali more of a challenge than kokabiel at full power reading vol 3 again, I LOL'ed when kokabiel said he want to fight sirzechs or serafall, I'd doubt kokabiel could last 5 seconds against either of them