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Perfect 10 | 365 | 44.95% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 199 | 24.51% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 92 | 11.33% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 76 | 9.36% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 31 | 3.82% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 20 | 2.46% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 9 | 1.11% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 4 | 0.49% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 2 | 0.25% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 14 | 1.72% | |
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2008-10-31, 17:36 | Link #261 | ||
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2008-10-31, 17:36 | Link #262 |
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but he never ever used it like he did after the events of ep 20
and when he did it then it was becouse he knew (or at least inteneded) that to be his last action becouse at that point he had nothing left nunnaly was dead sherly was dead rolo was dead C.C was gone (might as well be dead) kallen was with the black knights (no chance of ever getting in touch with her again,not without putting her in danger) the black knights have turned on him (and potential allies like kaguya and xing-ke now had a nice video tape of him saying that he was using the OOBK as pawns all along, to go along with shnizel's evidence) his ID was exposed which ment the end of his life both as zero AND as lelouch lamperuge (so no ashford life or friends) suzaku had betrayed him (or so he believed) and he would spend the rest of his (in all likelihood, short) life being hunted down by both britannia and the black knights so at that point all he had left was revenge (which is a good motivator to drop any ethics one might have) at that point he went all the way to the dark side and turned from anti-hero to an all out villain (who happened to have good intentions) and given what he had lost it was a rather reasonable that it would happen
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2008-10-31, 17:38 | Link #263 | ||
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Lelouch even said something along the lines of: "You were the only one I never wanted to use it on." Because the only person whose free will is more important to Lelouch than Suzaku's is Nunally. Quote:
And that he has come to his final conclusion. Lelouch was just too good for this world. Doing to people what he did went against his very nature, but he often didn't even realize it. People can think about him whatever they like, but in my opinion, what he did wasn't a crime and it certainly didn't make him a monster. I can see why one would say that about Clovis - because Clovis truly lost his way and just stopped caring -, but I'll never be able to see something unkind in Lelouch. I could pity him, worship him, hug him... but I'll never agree that he wasn't an amazing person who was... well, too good for this world.
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2008-10-31, 18:57 | Link #264 | |
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If Lelouch is really like that than that changes my view of him completely, his worse than Light in that case, Light may kill you, but Lelouch would wipe your mind, and turn you into nothing more than a puppet. What Lelouch did to those soldiers was a fate worse than death, at least with death you go to the world of C. |
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2008-10-31, 19:17 | Link #265 |
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Every time he uses his Geass it takes free will. People just usually get it back, unless of course they're killing themselves. Yes, he goes all out once he loses the Black Knights, but he didn't have time to waste with the niceties at that point, and he was dealing with people he simply couldn't win the trust of. And if we're going to do Light comparisons then Light can not only kill you, but use you like a puppet before that as well. The soldiers Lelouch controlled can't be slaves to a dead man. They obeyed Jeremiah once he died. They're free for all intents and purposes.
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2008-10-31, 19:21 | Link #266 | |
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For all we know they could go 47 Ronin on Suzaku and kill him. |
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2008-10-31, 19:27 | Link #267 |
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since the public doesnt know about the geass then those soldiers who followed him are like the SS
"just following orders" doesnt cut it anymore those few people who supported him without being geassed (jeremia suzaku and C.C) are likely to be viewed as traitors and hunted down sayoko Lloyd cecile and nina surrendered under the claim that they had been threatend so they are off the hook but they only did that becouse of the OOBK sinking the avalon (the original plan was to attack the damocles using the avalon) if everything had gone according to plan they would also be marked as traitors everyone Lelouch involved in ZERO-R he involved knowing that it would mean their end (luck saved the above mentioned four from it) i doubt he cared about the faceless mooks he inslaved
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2008-10-31, 19:33 | Link #268 |
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I always saw it as Lelouch seeing them as a necessary casualty to his plans. I don't understand how anyone could watch Code Geass and get that Lelouch was some kind saint of a man who was frankly to good for this sinful Earth when he was a heavily flawed man who did horrible things, felt bad about it, and died to atone for his actions.
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2008-10-31, 19:35 | Link #269 | |
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But i don't think anyone has though seriously. |
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2008-10-31, 19:37 | Link #270 | |
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2008-10-31, 19:38 | Link #271 | |
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I think there would be a plan for those who help him to not mark be mark as traitors and that avalon sinking was just PLAN-B. |
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2008-10-31, 19:42 | Link #272 | |
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including the UFN heads who were on it after xing-ke took out the float system he told them to take part in operation something or other (cant remember the name) thats when they "betrayed him"
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2008-10-31, 20:00 | Link #273 | ||
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And sadly, it shows. When he was a child, all Lelouch would have needed to be happy were his mother and sister. But then he had to find Marianne "dead" in a nice little pool of blood, and from there on, the only happiness he had left - his sister - was in constant danger. Not only was she crippled, he also had to fear that she would be discarded as a tool that had outlived its usefulness. So he stood up to his father, who just abondened them both and left them in an enemy country. There he found a friend and new happiness, but at the same time, he and his sister were still political tools. Even the Ashfords didn't just take them in out of kindness. He saw the cruelty of the world and without the Geass, alls his attempts to change anything would probably have been in vain. Therefore, he became distrustful, bitter and incredibly protective of those he cared about. He was so kind that he ended up killing his own heart in order to accomplish his goals. He had some serious psychological issues, but if there had been some people to give him a push in the right direction from the start, he would have eventually gotten over them and never strayed too far from his path. He still managed to cope somehow, but I think he's been a very tragic character from the very start. And most people in his postion would have ended up much, much worse. Like Charles, who became a total psycho, or Clovis, who was a very kind person once, but became indifferent to everything after he first lost two of his siblings and then realized that he would never be able to change anything the way he wanted to. Quote:
After all, it's Lelouch I'm interested in, not Jesus. Are there really people who try to seriously compare them? o.o |
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2008-10-31, 22:27 | Link #274 | ||
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It's still better than the Harry Potter ending, where we have to find out what happened to everyone in interviews. Quote:
Also I have seen him seriously compared to Jesus, especially at TVTropes.org where several people have claimed he died for the sins of the world which everyone should know is false as several people where punished especially Schneizel, and Suzaku who got a lot worse than Lelouch. |
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2008-10-31, 22:33 | Link #275 | |
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2008-10-31, 22:53 | Link #276 | |
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Two, if they where going to fill that storyline they should have set it up with him starting to come in as his own leader making competent decisions, the only decision he makes was to betray Lelouch and give control of the Black Knights to Schneizel, not exactly the competent decision making I was talking about. Three, I said that I was pointing out that I felt it would be better if they spread out the screen time, and character development more. Todoh was a gold mine of potential and all he ever got was a small romance subplot with Chiba. |
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2008-10-31, 23:05 | Link #277 | ||
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Then you'd be complaining about the main characters not getting enough focus. You can't please everyone.
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2008-10-31, 23:50 | Link #280 | |
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One of my main problems with the ending is that out of the people mentioned that are safe guarding Lelouch's new world only Nunnaly has any real brains. Cornelia, Todoh, and Li are generals, and not very good ones at that, Suzaku, and Kallen are strictly soldiers as both are idiots, and Nunnaly isn't even out of high school. That's what I meant when I said the world needs leaders, the problem is that what the world has is a bunch of fighters, since the leader just killed himself. I can understand why they did it, you can't exactly have Lelouch get away scott free, but you also can't have anyone be really competent or else it would be unrealistic to have the black knights follow a super mysterious recluse that during the most important mission abandoned them. |
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