2008-04-16, 10:14 | Link #23641 | |
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Ok WAFF? Right...what was it again? ~~~~ Finished fixing part 2 of the last chapter...frankly, I think it's much better now After a little snack I'll check if part 3 needs a bit of fixing as well *runs*
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2008-04-16, 10:16 | Link #23642 | |
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2008-04-16, 10:19 | Link #23643 |
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Ark, once again, that's at the beginning. The forwards are fresh out of boot camp at this point, where the members of Dragon Army have already been in the force for at least a year or two. This is one point I'm not going to compromise on: B+ at the minimum.
Besides, if it's just a matter of bureau policies, I can fudge the details because this is a team of Enforcers, who seem to operate largely outside the established military structure.
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IMO the bolts themselves are normally quite stupid and it’s the “brains” in the device that’s doing most of the work to make them appear smart, hence electronics. Again I see mages as rather like Fighter or Helicopter pilots in this regard they put the target in the pipper and pull the trigger, but it’s the lead computing gun sight makes sure the bullets find there mark via a bit of mathematic and electronic wizardy. Quote:
Frankly this is even a debate IMO you’ve already admitted homing shots are possible canon says they are, given this semi-active modes are also entirely possible and vastly superior to direct manual control. If homing is possible there is almost no logical reason this homing can’t be jammed even less so when we know magic is based on various mathematic principles and spells are basiclly “programs” and so will have clear and set patterns. This is all that’s needed for electronic warfare to be viable and important. That a 9 year old with no formal training on a backwater planet making it up as she goes along might not know or use this knowledge isn’t really a very compelling argument against it for me. Quote:
You keep harping on this manual control nonsense while ignoring that canon has already effectively affirmed my theory as entirely viable by the mere existence of Barret F. You also ignore that no human could possibly exert the kind of control your suggesting without enormous amounts of mechanical assistance, to the point that his job is more to direct the effort then acutally run it himself. Quote:
To many pieces of media do this for my liking they substitute raw power and contrivances for logic and sounding reasoning. It's not like you need to be a military nut to think of this stuff it's just simple deductive reasoning. Acutally the fact that nearly everyone agrees me with can be seen in the fact that other authors have repeatedly come to me for tactical advice to ask if there scenes and character actions make sense. I normally say that if you just use a bit of logic you can normally tell that yourself, but either way it's clear to me that most people where not happy with the level of "skill" shown in the series and are striving for a higher standard in there own fics. Quote:
BMIs are NOT some all powerful thing where just the briefest of thoughts can will the machine to action. They take focus, concentration, and indeed training to function at all and this is unlikely to change given the nature of our brains and the signals they produce. Acutally this could well be another element of training as a mage and why higher level devices seem hard to use for many people the level of thought, focus, and training needed to effectively manage them in battle is likely intense which is just another reason as much of this should be automated as possible. It also nicely explains why they need to be tuned and for the most part it doesn’t seem like you can grab someone else’s device and use it if they are reading brainwaves and such they’re probably tuned for the user with the “sync” improving over time (to a point) and just as likely rigged to ignore any other pattern attempting to give them orders. Basically a quick mental image will NOT give the device any kind of useful information assuming a reasonably realistic BMI is used. The user will need to focus and basiclly “think at” the device in a manner very much like if he was controlling the action himself… because he basiclly is, but instead of using his fingers he’s using his brainwaves, but make no mistake the same amount of thought is going into the process, but it’s being transmitted and read in a different way by the machine. For instance say you need to cook diner, but you're going to do it with a BMI controlled robot instead of you hands. Do you seriously think you can just "visualize" the end product and that the BMI/robot will somehow shit out gourmet masterpiece? If you have a shred of logic you'd say "of course not" well then why do you seem to think that some split second visualization will suffice for missile guidance an even more processing intensive task then cooking? As I said it’s a common assumption among many people that a BMI will for some reason be blisteringly fast compared to manual inputs. What these people tend to ignore is that the human brain is ALREADY the bottleneck in his loop changing the input method will not somehow radically speed up it’s ability to issue useful commands. A BMI biggest edge assuming a still baseline brain isn’t that it’s faster so much as that it can be used when manual inputs are impractical or impossible. There are pretty much three ways this can be the case: 1- The user is somehow unable to produce manual inputs at all; IE he’s crippled. 2- Carrying a system for manual inputs is impractical 3- The thing being managed has so many facets to it that having the needed number of manual input devices would be unwieldy, in this case though it would have to compete and probably fail with a verbal command scheme, backed by manual inputs for the most common tasks. Devices are sort of a combo of 2 and 3, they do allot of different stuff and carrying around a set of keyboards and such while flying at 200 miles per hour is hardly viable. Ever notice though that back on base and even in militray command centers the people are all TYPING. If BMI are so grossly superior how come they aren't being used exclusively in application such and command and control where speed is needed? Could it be that there advantage ISN'T some massively increase in speed, but merely born of the circumstances in which a device must be used? Good science says this might well be the case and canon seems to support it if BMIs are so wonderful why do only devices seem to bother with them? Quote:
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Also if we go down this route then what's the point of picking a style at all? or even having them at all if one can do anything with any style? Seems to render the entire thing a little pointless dosen't it? Also limiting yourself to range breeds no inherent weakness IMO since melee weapons are inherently inferior to begin with. Though doing it in the manner of Hayate or most Mid mages seem to indeed breeds in significant weakness, but IMO this is more from bad tactics and decisions then anything else. I basiclly feel that a mage with the right mind set, spells, and tactics need not really know any melee skills at all. To me Felix is an example of this he dosen't have a single spell that's close range exclusive and his only melee weapon would be to try and club the guy over the head with his gun shaped device. Quote:
Also while too MUCH techno-babble is bad not explaining anything or oversimplifying everything is just as bad. Never assume your readers know everything you know, but never assume they're morons either. Some of the new aspects might need a contrived scene or two to set the rules and explain them a bit, but once set down I don't think they're so complex that readers will be baffled by them and that they'll add some flavor to things. At the moment I writing a sort of Field Manual about my own style of aerial Combat Magic I intend to use in my fic which I shall submit for review at some point in the near future I hope.
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2008-04-16, 11:17 | Link #23645 | |
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Aaron makes a grand comeback with the first of the blueecheese bombs. Thumbs up for the profile and double thumbs up for the effort behind this. Lastly.. THIS! IS!! HAYATE!!! =3 Quote:
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And you have Chrono, who is said to manage nearly every aspect of spellcasting by himself. Of course the degree of which is never mentioned.
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2008-04-16, 11:39 | Link #23647 | |
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Also, you forgot to take into calculation that Shamal and Zafira may or may not have limiters (they're not captains, after all) in which case you will have to acount for an AAA and AA+ Limiters are placed to downpower powerfull mages in a squad, making things more even, while I do agree that the ranking of B+ and above minimal seems more realistic, your math is inherently flawed due to a lack of knowledge of how the limiter system actually works. Warm And Fuzzy Feelings. Took me a while to figure put that one too. |
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2008-04-16, 11:46 | Link #23648 |
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Those of you on IRC might recall I mentioned this before, well I was serious and so I present the initial profile of someone that most of you might find a bit familiar with...
Spoiler for Albrecht Freiherr von Richthofen:
He'll be serving as a somewhat morally ambiguous antagonist in my new fic though he won't appear for a bit.
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2008-04-16, 12:00 | Link #23649 | ||
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But yeah, I'll admit I forgot all about them. I blame this entirely on 7Arcs' shabby treatment of them. If you count them in, then you can probably stretch it to cover all 12 guys. |
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2008-04-16, 12:05 | Link #23650 |
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I'm probably going to downgrade the squad to 8 members anyways, just because 12 members is a lot to keep track of and give equal "screentime" to. I'm also thinking this squad is going to behave more like a group of contract mages than actual enforcers; they're associated with the Enforcers, but don't have any authority over members of the other branches, so they're kinda like bureau-trained mercenaries, much more loose and less formal than even RF6 is.
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I might tone it down in some aspects, true, but I don't think the concept is outright unfeasable. Multicasting would be my biggest point, although I do have a multicast system myself, so I can't really complain. I'll keep it in mind. Quote:
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Do wanna see how he actually turns out though.
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2008-04-16, 14:41 | Link #23652 | ||||
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Called it :3 . Signum uses something like that in Alpha. (Although more feminine and without the helmet >.> )
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It's a good feeling too >.>
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2008-04-16, 14:42 | Link #23653 | |||
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With all the dimensional travel, Yuuko seemed to be a good source of explaination Yay! Welcome back Flame!! |
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2008-04-16, 15:02 | Link #23654 | ||
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tadaima~ ~~~~ Just fixed part 3 of the previous chapter...not much changed though, just enough to match part 2 *runs*
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2008-04-16, 15:57 | Link #23656 |
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No I don't, which is my point! Overcomplication and overtechicalization of a simple magical system. I can handle a limited degree of technobable, but as soon as terms like 'SACLOS' and whatever follows start to get mentioned, things go whoosh.
I mean, come on, do you really think Seven Arcs, who did not bother to research militairy strategy, biology or the Laws of Physics, would do research on this? *Will formulate a more computable reply tommorow. I caught myself nodding off at least three times trying to reply, and I quite honestly don't trust what I'm typing when I'm this tired. |
2008-04-16, 16:04 | Link #23657 |
The OTHER Time Lord
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Deal with backlog later...I HATE this goddamned formatting system...
AND NOW... LegendS Episode 3! READ IT! Lelouch vi Britannia Reiji di Tabibito COMMANDS YOU!!!! Spoiler for Episode 3, Part A:
Spoiler for Episode 3, Part B:
Spoiler for Episode 4 Preview:
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2008-04-16, 18:08 | Link #23659 | |
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Oh yeah, anyone get the feel that this is what Syn might look like when she's older? :3 Spoiler for Syn 19 years old-ish?:
*RUNS*
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2008-04-16, 19:05 | Link #23660 | |
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No time to read profiles or episodes, class in negative 1 min, so I'll be quick...
He'd always been a Druid, why not? I heard there was Cruchy Spider Surprise in there too, but using King Crab legs. And that is awesome. Quote:
Btw, in my crack, Juliet Scagletti is the 3rd of the Vivio-dan. Only problem is, I'm not too sure how Vivio or Syn might act with an incorrigible trouble-maker around... Heck, I don't even know if Julie might be a lightbulb, if you know what I mean. :/ And you might say Fate and Kha's parenting ways kinda spoiled her. Which the end-product might have Syn being rather... pissed?
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