2011-01-11, 05:21 | Link #21461 | |||
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But if you mean 'what caused it' as in... who flipped the switch or ignited the fuse, etc... then... I don't believe that's relevant. All we know is someone did and the bomb did go off. The meat is in why Yasu (if it was her) set it up that way... Quote:
They'd probably call it an accident if they couldn't find any evidence of foul play. They'd chalk it up to some unexploded ordinance from WW2 finally going off or becoming unstable. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12877289 Quantification and aging of the post-blast residue of TNT landmines. Quote:
http://www.mirthegreat.com/temp/umineko/explosion.jpg <-- this picture though shows a big round circle though. Is it from the anime? By the way, the way it's drawn, it looks like Toraian is right at the center... However, I have to protest that an island is very different from the desert. There's 100% more soil around your blast area in the desert, whereas the surrounding area to the island is... air. Anyways, Ripple Rock is my example of setting charges smartly rather than somehow consolidating 900T of TNT in one spot and just hoping it blows up the way you want. (Which as you've shown, won't.) And the result is to shear a mountain, a mass larger than Rokkenjima, so there's still plenty of TNT left to play with after... for things that you really do want to vaporize and blow up... I gotta imagine someone surreptitiously asked some demolitions experts on how to do things... say, a mercenary group called the Yamainu.... :3 ... more than meets the eyes... |
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2011-01-11, 05:36 | Link #21462 | |
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Originally Posted by Jan-Poo View Post Yeah so why he was expecting us to understand that Rokkenjima was engulfed in an explosion? Certainly you can't tell me that this could be reached without any reasoning or without the 1998 perspective. If he was expecting this it means he was expecting that we reasoned even about that part. Then he should have expected that we speculated even on what actually caused that tragic event, and he should have expected that we were expecting an answer. |
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2011-01-11, 07:01 | Link #21463 | ||||
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Additionally I'm not sure that we can confirm that Beatrice actually planned that explosion. Quote:
As you said if this is what happened the only way it could be known as an explosion is if the police actually noticed the TNT residue and made it public. Then how come it was considered an accident? Kylon, you said it yourself. You'd need tunnels all around the place and you'd need explosives set in strategic points. Something like what you suggest can't possibly happen "naturally" or by "chance". And yet it is obvious that the official explanation is that no one is responsible, it's just an accident, it's not a crime. It doesn't match. Even if you suggest the official explanation is that the japanese military during the war created that system as a way to self-destruct the island (which I fail to see it plausible), the public opinion would still consider the Japanese military and the government responsible for such a blunder. Quote:
Well to be honest... I exaggerated a bit... considering the distance between the Mansion and the Kuwadorian is 2km. the crater should be a little smaller than that, but I think it gives the general idea. Quote:
Anyway I'm aware that rocks and desert do not work in the same way and that rock blow more nicely than sand. But that still doesn't explain the huge disparity between 104 kilotons and 0,9 kilotons.
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2011-01-11, 07:45 | Link #21464 |
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If I understood correctly, Yasu didn't actually kill anyone, did she? After all, she only killed people in the message bottle stories, but not in reality. She blamed herself because her actions have unwittingly led to a bigger crime.
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2011-01-11, 11:45 | Link #21466 | |
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She did not. She was gonna, though. |
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2011-01-11, 13:10 | Link #21467 | |
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After all, if we believe Kinzo, then Rokkenjimma was a base not only for submarines, but for the special torpedo that could blow an aircraft career in one blow as well, in other words: japanese last secret weapons. Imagine that the american discover about these, Japanese would not have any chances anymore with their enemies knowing about all of their armory. And imagine if the American discover about these and decide to launch an attack on the island, the damage they could cause to the marines? And I don't think that japanese would consider their government as responsible. What you say is the same as saying that the actual government would be blamed in Germany if we found a trench full of jews bodies. |
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2011-01-11, 14:47 | Link #21468 | |
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2011-01-11, 15:36 | Link #21469 | |
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Also, this is the event that kills Battler at the end oF EP4 and was the last mystery of Beatrice. Also, Jan Poo's argument and my argument aren't really arguments that contradict each other. If fact we aren't providing arguments. I am discussing how the mundane matters of Rokkenjima Prime, the unconnected ones, do not ultimately matter in the story. Jan Poo is discussing how some of the answers Ryukishi have hinted thus far have not been answered. You're not butting in, and everyone is welcome to talk on this message board, that's for sure. But at the same time, dreamed up contradictions shouldn't give rise to "prima facie defective" calls to stop listening to others. |
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2011-01-11, 18:06 | Link #21472 |
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Yeah dudes, it all makes sense now. Fucking lasers and shit.
And after Asumu faked her death she became part of the Strategic Defense Initiative developing space weapons. Rokkenjima was just a test site for WOLVES. Asumu used the space-based systems to blow up the island. This is the truth of Rokkenjima Prime. Asumu Beam™ Spoiler for Rifyu agrees with me:
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2011-01-11, 20:19 | Link #21476 | ||||
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This is when the best showed it's true purpose, it merged with Kuwadorian became a giant mecha of destruction, much like Ideon, bringing the Spiral Nemesis on Rokkenjima, but, at the same time, protecting the innocent - Eva and Battler, from this apocalypse. How is it? Do you like it?
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2011-01-11, 20:47 | Link #21477 | |
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... Goddamnit, Ushiromiyas, fix your goddamn family tree THIS INSTANT.
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2011-01-11, 21:12 | Link #21478 |
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Why fix what's not broken? Without this then we wouldn't have a story. This is why the the game exist; to know your family tree or else Kinzo will talk you into Madness which will in turn have you give birth to Leonidas to whom you you can't call grandson or son b/c s/he is in love with their cousins/Nieces/Nephews due to their mental disorder. You know where this is going...
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2011-01-11, 21:13 | Link #21479 | |
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And, with this, I finish my tale.
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