(L) Monogatari Series Light Novel discussion

[LotionExplosion]

Originally Posted by ickem

Spoiler for spoiler:

Koyomi spends like half a chapter on an internal monologue about how Hitagi's "change" and how he feels about it. He feels he can't go back to how it was before now that he's been able to interact with Hitagi as she is. He also basically says that people who are hung up on how Hitagi was before and can't appreciate her as she is now aren't worth his time. To him, she hasn't really changed so much as she is just growing. When she got her hair cut she said that "if someone can cut their hair after being disappointed in love, then I can cut mine due to having been fortunate in love". And her hair is really short, shorter than Kanbaru's, but then she's been growing hers out.

Spoiler for Question:

So his pretty Defensive on Hitagi's new approach and is willing to cut his hair on account of love right? Hitagi cuts her hair because that was the hair style she had before the family break?

[ickem]

Originally Posted by LotionExplosion

Spoiler for Question:

So his pretty Defensive on Hitagi's new approach and is willing to cut his hair on account of love right? Hitagi cuts her hair because that was the hair style she had before the family break?

Spoiler for nise 2:

He really likes how she is growing. She's the one who cut her hair because she wanted to break from the past. She's had that hairstyle since grade school because her mom told her that it looked nice on her. The hairstyle was one of the last things that was binding her to the bad memories.

[rurupeceaue]

Originally Posted by ickem

Spoiler for nise 2:

He really likes how she is growing. She's the one who cut her hair because she wanted to break from the past. She's had that hairstyle since grade school because her mom told her that it looked nice on her. The hairstyle was one of the last things that was binding her to the bad memories.

So, it's like he's supporting the 'changes' that she's undergoing because he can understand her in a way that others can't.
Very gentleman-ly Koyomi, no wonder Hitagi is head over heels on him

[Kunagisa]

Originally Posted by rurupeceaue

So, it's like he's supporting the 'changes' that she's undergoing because he can understand her in a way that others can't.
Very gentleman-ly Koyomi, no wonder Hitagi is head over heels on him

No!!!

Don't get fooled!!! This guy is a pervert!!! Lolicon!!! Ghostlolicon!!! Siscon!!! Masochist!!!

He is the manifestation of all of Nisio Isin's hidden pervsion!!!

My cute Mayoi and Nadeko =( he's corrupting them all >__<

[Zetsubo]

Originally Posted by stuopidget

No!!!

Don't get fooled!!! This guy is a pervert!!! Lolicon!!! Ghostlolicon!!! Siscon!!! Masochist!!!

He is the manifestation of all of Nisio Isin's hidden pervsion!!!

My cute Mayoi and Nadeko =( he's corrupting them all >__<

Umm... Mayoi is a ghost so I will let it slide

However... NADEKO is also mega pervert... in case you didn't realise.

[omimon]

Ok, I just finished reading the first three chapter of Nise 2 and I can only say one thing.......Araragi is not on the level of a pervert anymore....he is indeed a l33t. As for why? Well... read on:

Spoiler:

I give you the premise first, Karen wanted Araragi to introduce her to Kanbaru but he doesn't want to so he challenges her to a game of endurance. If she can remain quiet for five minutes as he is brushing her teeth he will take her to Kanbaru. What Karen isn't aware of is the fact that having someone else brush your teeth is extremely pleasurable and can make you sexually aroused. Koyomi thought she will never be able to stand this but what he didn't realized is the fact that the person brushing will also be aroused from it. So by the end of it both of them is completely horny from the ordeal and...........

Araragi: Karen-chan, Karen-chan, Karen-chan---

I kept calling my sister's name.

As I was calling her name, my body started to feel hot.

Karen's body, also started to feel hot.

Karen: Ah, Onii---

She looked at me using her eyes which has lost focus already.

Karen spoke.

Because there was a toothbrush in her mouth, she couldn't speak, no, even if the toothbrush was gone, I'm sure she couldn't have spoke anyways.

With that being said.

With that being said, Karen still spoke.

Karen: Onii-chan.....you can.

Can!?

Can what!?

If it was any other day, I would have just countered her words, but right now, my self-control was already a mess.

A mess.

(Skipped a few lines) Describing how much of a mess his head is

I.

Araragi Koyomi, slowly took out the left hand that was under Araragi Karen's head, and moved said hand, towards her breast--

As for what happens next I'll let you decide.

[Zetsubo]

ok... I know the japanese are not as grossed out by concepts of incest as much as we are in the west... but... I have to draw the line here.

I am not one to enjoy any of those questionable brother sister situations that present themselves so frequently in anime/manga.

It is not for religious or social up bringing that I am grossed out... but purely biological.

If some of these sicon fanatics actually had sisters they would realise how gross this whole thing can be.

It is bad enough he feels up Mayoi... but she is a 20 odd year old ghost... I let it slide.
The chibi vampire is 500 years old... Nadeko is 14 and 17 to 14 is no big deal.

However... Karen and Tuskihi... off limits Nisio !

[ellifeedn]

^ Too late for that. (See previous page spoilers).

[andy]

Yeah as much as i love baka , i don't really like the whole incest thing . While i do find it funny sometimes depending on how it's done.

Going to hardcore into is just a joy kill for any series for me. Having a sister myself i find some of these things rather gross .

But then i am a huge Hitagi fan so i going most likely watch ,read the summaries anyway.

But baka also have allot of perverted fetishes and anime , manga stereotypes. So got to take good with the bad depending on your view lol.

[Zetsubo]

It is not easy to like all the colours of the rainbow.

Manga and Anime will forever have good and bad plot points.

Just like all aspects of life.

You have to take the yin with the yang and enjoy what it is worth overall.

[omimon]

Originally Posted by Zetsubo

It is not easy to like all the colours of the rainbow.

Manga and Anime will forever have good and bad plot points.

Just like all aspects of life.

You have to take the yin with the yang and enjoy what it is worth overall.

Well, Nisio did make it clear that it is impossible to animate Nise so you can tell how questionable the content is. Basically, Nise really push the boundary of what is acceptable and let's face it we in the west have shows like that too. In Nisio's defense he didn't even show the scene where Araragi and Senjougahra actually did it even thought it was highly implied, so you can tell what actually happened when Araragi and Karen was just about to cross a VERY dangerous line.

[LotionExplosion]

Originally Posted by stuopidget

No!!!

Don't get fooled!!! This guy is a pervert!!! Lolicon!!! Ghostlolicon!!! Siscon!!! Masochist!!!

He is the manifestation of all of Nisio Isin's hidden pervsion!!!

My cute Mayoi and Nadeko =( he's corrupting them all >__<

Hmmm Ghostlolicon... sweet sweet necrophilia...

[LotionExplosion]

Originally Posted by omimon

Well, Nisio did make it clear that it is impossible to animate Nise so you can tell how questionable the content is. Basically, Nise really push the boundary of what is acceptable and let's face it we in the west have shows like that too. In Nisio's defense he didn't even show the scene where Araragi and Senjougahra actually did it even thought it was highly implied, so you can tell what actually happened when Araragi and Karen was just about to cross a VERY dangerous line.

I've watch some pretty interesting Anime(not hentai) Which includes incest, I only do approve of it only in Anime/hentai, but in RL it is really awkward, only if blood related.The Sibling Bond is the strongest there is. Yet again, its just me. If anyone is wondering I do have a dark/twisted sense of humor.

[Kunagisa]

Originally Posted by omimon

Well, Nisio did make it clear that it is impossible to animate Nise so you can tell how questionable the content is. Basically, Nise really push the boundary of what is acceptable and let's face it we in the west have shows like that too. In Nisio's defense he didn't even show the scene where Araragi and Senjougahra actually did it even thought it was highly implied, so you can tell what actually happened when Araragi and Karen was just about to cross a VERY dangerous line.

100% = normal, 150% = pushing it, 200% = criminal

if Kabuki and Neko go beyond 200%, I'll be a happy panda.

[andy]

Originally Posted by omimon

Well, Nisio did make it clear that it is impossible to animate Nise so you can tell how questionable the content is. Basically, Nise really push the boundary of what is acceptable and let's face it we in the west have shows like that too. In Nisio's defense he didn't even show the scene where Araragi and Senjougahra actually did it even thought it was highly implied, so you can tell what actually happened when Araragi and Karen was just about to cross a VERY dangerous line.

They could do nisa if they wanted to ,while it might not be a TV series they can make it a ONA or a ODA baka is one of those shows that has the numbers . I mean no matter how far he goes it can't be worst that some OVA , hentai that out there than i have seen.

When you have 60 000k plus people buying your show you don't really have worry about the ODA not making back it's money. That's one of great things about selling so much, TV is not the only option with those numbers. I have read some of the summaries, spoilers you guys did and nothing so far out there seem so bad that ODA can't be done for it.

Well from your spoilers you did not say if cross the line or not ,or was it implied that they went all they way ? Just wondering since were are the topic.

[Pachael]

For all you know, Shaft'd replace the stuff at the periphery with real life images of rice bowls or something like that.

[omimon]

Originally Posted by andy

They could do nisa if they wanted to ,while it might not be a TV series they can make it a ONA or a ODA baka is one of those shows that has the numbers . I mean no matter how far he goes it can't be worst that some OVA , hentai that out there than i have seen.

When you have 60 000k plus people buying your show you don't really have worry about the ODA not making back it's money. That's one of great things about selling so much, TV is not the only option with those numbers. I have read some of the summaries, spoilers you guys did and nothing so far out there seem so bad that ODA can't be done for it.

Well from your spoilers you did not say if cross the line or not ,or was it implied that they went all they way ? Just wondering since were are the topic.

Spoiler:

Haha, well honestly the series would not be as funny if they did go all the way since it would just create very awkward scenes afterward between the two of them. The funny stuff is always when you are right on the line but decides to back off. So in short, no they didn't go ALL the way but they did compromise. Here is the rest of it:

".......What are you guys doing"

Suddenly

Out of nowhere

A voice of rescue appeared.

I turned, inside the room where we left opened, the other sister, the smaller one, the kimono wearing Tsukihi--- was standing there in awe.

Eyes wide.

Jaws dropped.

It looks like she wanted to close her mouth, but her lips just wouldn't touch.

Tsukihi: "Onii-chan, Karen-chan.........what is this situation."

Tsukihi was using Kanto dialect for some reason.

It looks like her brain was in a mess.

Araragi: "Wait, wait a minute, Tsukihi-chan....this isn't what it is!"

I screamed

But.

What isn't this.

Honestly the situation was clear as day.

It would be hard to misunderstand.

Tsukihi: "Why does it look it that Onii-chan just brushed Karen-chan's teeth and then emotionally pushed Karen-chan on to the bed? Why is Karen-chan wearing my cloths with a face full of pleasure and allowed Onii-chan to push her on to the bed?"

It looks like Tsukihi's mind is already returned to the point where she can speak normally, but the first question she said using her normal speech was such a difficult and tricky question.

Tsukihi's eyes also returned to normal--the eyes were shaped like triangles, people call those the eyes of disgust.

The eyes Tsukihi tossed at us, allowed me and Karen to return to normal.

After we return to normal.

We realized the truth was exactly as what Tsuhiki said.

What a troublesome question to answer.

Araragi: "Wah! Why does it look like I just brushed my own sister's teeth and then emotionally pushed her on to a bed?"

Karen: "Wahhhhhhh! Why am I wearing my own sister's cloths with a face full of pleasure and allowed my own brother to push me on to a bed?"

Araragi: "Scary!"

Karen: "Scary!"

Scary!

This level of scare was definitely a first in my life.

That! Was! Close!

Almost crossed a line that we shouldn't even touch!

Too close!

Araragi: "Th....thanks to Tsukihi-chan! Save!

Karen: "Th...thanks to Tsukihi-chan! Save!

Me and Karen were in-sync.

No, it wasn't just voice, our finger movements pointing towards Tsukihi was the same too.

Not a single point of difference.

If it was an in-sync contest, we would have won the gold medal for sure.

But in this situation, no matter how high our sync was, other than giving Tsukihi a worst impression, it didn't help at all.

Well, my body, up till now, was still on top of Karen's body.

"Hmm...hm."

At the end.

Tsukihi nodded her head.

The eyes that have turned triangler already, were shut tightly.

An emotionless face.

Me and Karen, once again felt our hearts race---but for completely different reasons.

Awaiting the verdict.

Because of various reasons our sweat was sliding down our skin.

"......hm."

Finally, Tsukihi raised her head.

Graceful smile.

Letting us go, or harsh punishment, at least we might get an extension, me and Karen started to hope.

Tsukihi: "You two, can you remain in this position? I need to go to the convenient store, to buy an icepick."

Hopes failed.

Death penalty decided.

What's with the icepick!

Carrying a smile, Tsukihi "snapped" with rage at level 99, closing the door with destructive strength, she left the room.

Karen: "Tsukihi-chan! Convenient stores don't have icepicks! If you don't go to a hardware store I don't think you can get one!"

Karen started screaming towards the hallway, but I think the contents of the screams were a bit questionable.

The screams were ignored.

Taptaptap, after the sounds of footsteps going down the stairs were gone, everything return to silence.

Wow.

That was epic.

Even if you can't get one at a convenient store, Tsukihi's rage is already at level 99, no matter what she is going to get her hands on an icepick.

But, whatever Tsukihi comes up with at the end, is what we need to face now.

Karen: "....Onii-chan. Heavy."

As I was thinking, Karen spoke.

Araragi: "Ahh, sorry."

I quickly got off Karen's body.

Karen stood up straight, grabbed on to the rolled up skirt and started to fix it.

Still embrassed.

Karen's embrassed face was rare to see.

Usually she is such a rowdy person.

Karen: "Well, Onii-chan. About the matter of the winlose."

Araragi: "Huh?"

Winlose?

What is the meaning of that phase which I have never heard of before.

The name of a plant?

Or it is an english word which I was suppose to remember today for my studies?

Just as I was contemplating.

Karen: "The five minutes were over already."

Karen continued to speak.

Ahh, now that I'm reminded, I remember now, me and Karen was having a match, remembering the rules of the match, I glanced at a clock in the room.

It really was over five minutes.

Actually, it passed 15 minutes already.

It was so long no wonder Tsukihi found us.

"Hmmahh..."

End.

I lost.

No, rather than just admitting defeat, I am honestly impress with Karen's superman-like endurance.

A respect that comes from the heart towards Karen.

By the mids of it my thoughts were already a mess, for Karen to endure such a torture was respectable.

It was 15 minutes even.

Really a monster.

Araragi: "Ha. Hm. Oh well.....a promise is a promise. Okay okay, Karen-chan. I'll introduce you to Kanbaru."

Of course, inside I was unwilling.

But the person in question said she wants to meet her, I have no reason to stop her.

Rather than saying no reason, it should be no right.

I feel they are really "alike".

Their class is the same.

Araragi: "You did well, Karen-chan. You win. Hmm. Today Onii-chan lost. I admit defeat."

Karen: "Hm, hm."

Towards my praise, Karen's reaction wasn't big.

Just as I was about to feel suspicious, Karen coughed two times.

Ackhem.

Karen pretended to cough again--- and then in a cute way she rolled her tall body into a ball.

Karen: "O, Onii-chan."

Araragi: "Yes."

Karen: "Hmm, hmm, if Onii-chan says he wants too, well, it's not like we can't have the match become best out of three."

Araragi: "..."

Karen: " Well, we were in the middle of it when Tsukihi-chan barged in. Usually at a time like this the results would be nulled. Besides, there is still time before Tsukihi-chan comes back, it's not like I can't play overtime with Onii-chan.

Your cool appearance was too fake.

Karen's face was red as she proposed the case.

With a look of desire towards me.

Araragi: " Well....."

I.

I once again grasped the toothbrush in my hand.

Araragi: "Then, then.....I'll continue.....can I?"

Karen: "Of, of course. Since its Onii-chan challenging me, I, I'm not going to run.....I....I accept Onii-chan's challenge!"

"Then this time let's switch the defense and offense?"

"Hm, hm. It'll be more fair this way!"

Both sides.

Not looking at each other's eyes --- us two began a three-match game.

This, happened this morning.

Me and Karen took a small step towards being a pair of harmonious siblings.


Basically these two didn't ACTUALLY do it, but they did the next best thing. What they are doing can pretty much be considered to be the ultimate foreplay. Well done Araragi, well done.

[andy]

Originally Posted by omimon

Spoiler:

Haha, well honestly the series would not be as funny if they did go all the way since it would just create very awkward scenes afterward between the two of them. The funny stuff is always when you are right on the line but decides to back off. So in short, no they didn't go ALL the way but they did compromise. Here is the rest of it:

".......What are you guys doing"

Suddenly

Out of nowhere

A voice of rescue appeared.

I turned, inside the room where we left opened, the other sister, the smaller one, the kimono wearing Tsukihi--- was standing there in awe.

Eyes wide.




Jaws dropped.

It looks like she wanted to close her mouth, but her lips just wouldn't touch.

Tsukihi: "Onii-chan, Karen-chan.........what is this situation."

Tsukihi was using Kanto dialect for some reason.

It looks like her brain was in a mess.

Araragi: "Wait, wait a minute, Tsukihi-chan....this isn't what it is!"

I screamed

But.

What isn't this.

Honestly the situation was clear as day.

It would be hard to misunderstand.

Tsukihi: "Why does it look it that Onii-chan just brushed Karen-chan's teeth and then emotionally pushed Karen-chan on to the bed? Why is Karen-chan wearing my cloths with a face full of pleasure and allowed Onii-chan to push her on to the bed?"

It looks like Tsukihi's mind is already returned to the point where she can speak normally, but the first question she said using her normal speech was such a difficult and tricky question.

Tsukihi's eyes also returned to normal--the eyes were shaped like triangles, people call those the eyes of disgust.

The eyes Tsukihi tossed at us, allowed me and Karen to return to normal.

After we return to normal.

We realized the truth was exactly as what Tsuhiki said.

What a troublesome question to answer.

Araragi: "Wah! Why does it look like I just brushed my own sister's teeth and then emotionally pushed her on to a bed?"

Karen: "Wahhhhhhh! Why am I wearing my own sister's cloths with a face full of pleasure and allowed my own brother to push me on to a bed?"

Araragi: "Scary!"

Karen: "Scary!"

Scary!

This level of scare was definitely a first in my life.

That! Was! Close!

Almost crossed a line that we shouldn't even touch!

Too close!

Araragi: "Th....thanks to Tsukihi-chan! Save!

Karen: "Th...thanks to Tsukihi-chan! Save!

Me and Karen were in-sync.

No, it wasn't just voice, our finger movements pointing towards Tsukihi was the same too.

Not a single point of difference.

If it was an in-sync contest, we would have won the gold medal for sure.

But in this situation, no matter how high our sync was, other than giving Tsukihi a worst impression, it didn't help at all.

Well, my body, up till now, was still on top of Karen's body.

"Hmm...hm."

At the end.

Tsukihi nodded her head.

The eyes that have turned triangler already, were shut tightly.

An emotionless face.

Me and Karen, once again felt our hearts race---but for completely different reasons.

Awaiting the verdict.

Because of various reasons our sweat was sliding down our skin.

"......hm."

Finally, Tsukihi raised her head.

Graceful smile.

Letting us go, or harsh punishment, at least we might get an extension, me and Karen started to hope.

Tsukihi: "You two, can you remain in this position? I need to go to the convenient store, to buy an icepick."

Hopes failed.

Death penalty decided.

What's with the icepick!

Carrying a smile, Tsukihi "snapped" with rage at level 99, closing the door with destructive strength, she left the room.

Karen: "Tsukihi-chan! Convenient stores don't have icepicks! If you don't go to a hardware store I don't think you can get one!"

Karen started screaming towards the hallway, but I think the contents of the screams were a bit questionable.

The screams were ignored.

Taptaptap, after the sounds of footsteps going down the stairs were gone, everything return to silence.

Wow.

That was epic.

Even if you can't get one at a convenient store, Tsukihi's rage is already at level 99, no matter what she is going to get her hands on an icepick.

But, whatever Tsukihi comes up with at the end, is what we need to face now.

Karen: "....Onii-chan. Heavy."

As I was thinking, Karen spoke.

Araragi: "Ahh, sorry."

I quickly got off Karen's body.

Karen stood up straight, grabbed on to the rolled up skirt and started to fix it.

Still embrassed.

Karen's embrassed face was rare to see.

Usually she is such a rowdy person.

Karen: "Well, Onii-chan. About the matter of the winlose."

Araragi: "Huh?"

Winlose?

What is the meaning of that phase which I have never heard of before.

The name of a plant?

Or it is an english word which I was suppose to remember today for my studies?

Just as I was contemplating.

Karen: "The five minutes were over already."

Karen continued to speak.

Ahh, now that I'm reminded, I remember now, me and Karen was having a match, remembering the rules of the match, I glanced at a clock in the room.

It really was over five minutes.

Actually, it passed 15 minutes already.

It was so long no wonder Tsukihi found us.

"Hmmahh..."

End.

I lost.

No, rather than just admitting defeat, I am honestly impress with Karen's superman-like endurance.

A respect that comes from the heart towards Karen.

By the mids of it my thoughts were already a mess, for Karen to endure such a torture was respectable.

It was 15 minutes even.

Really a monster.

Araragi: "Ha. Hm. Oh well.....a promise is a promise. Okay okay, Karen-chan. I'll introduce you to Kanbaru."

Of course, inside I was unwilling.

But the person in question said she wants to meet her, I have no reason to stop her.

Rather than saying no reason, it should be no right.

I feel they are really "alike".

Their class is the same.

Araragi: "You did well, Karen-chan. You win. Hmm. Today Onii-chan lost. I admit defeat."

Karen: "Hm, hm."

Towards my praise, Karen's reaction wasn't big.

Just as I was about to feel suspicious, Karen coughed two times.

Ackhem.

Karen pretended to cough again--- and then in a cute way she rolled her tall body into a ball.

Karen: "O, Onii-chan."

Araragi: "Yes."

Karen: "Hmm, hmm, if Onii-chan says he wants too, well, it's not like we can't have the match become best out of three."

Araragi: "..."

Karen: " Well, we were in the middle of it when Tsukihi-chan barged in. Usually at a time like this the results would be nulled. Besides, there is still time before Tsukihi-chan comes back, it's not like I can't play overtime with Onii-chan.

Your cool appearance was too fake.

Karen's face was red as she proposed the case.

With a look of desire towards me.

Araragi: " Well....."

I.

I once again grasped the toothbrush in my hand.

Araragi: "Then, then.....I'll continue.....can I?"

Karen: "Of, of course. Since its Onii-chan challenging me, I, I'm not going to run.....I....I accept Onii-chan's challenge!"

"Then this time let's switch the defense and offense?"

"Hm, hm. It'll be more fair this way!"

Both sides.

Not looking at each other's eyes --- us two began a three-match game.

This, happened this morning.

Me and Karen took a small step towards being a pair of harmonious siblings.


Basically these two didn't ACTUALLY do it, but they did the next best thing. What they are doing can pretty much be considered to be the ultimate foreplay. Well done Araragi, well done.

Thanks for the spoilers that was allot to type out lol. Still nothing that can't be done in a ODA lol.

[freakonboard]

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[Zetsubo]

I hope the Tsukihi gets that icepick and does some corrective perforation and chipping on these two blocks of hormones.