2010-01-20, 13:00 | Link #1001 | |
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I was curious to know what was on your mind, what theory you have. If you have an imperfect theory, then we could make this closer to perfect. If you have a somewhat complete theory, then you are free to stick to your theory. I don't change my mind since you did not attack my own theory, you were proposing a plausible answer to the mystery and I was just seeing whether I could break down this blue stake of yours. The result turned out, I can't. But does it mean I have to change my mind to follow yours theory. No, because I have my blue stake as well, and as long as Ryu07 has not opened the catbox, I have full freedom to adhere to my unchallenged blue stake. Don't expect that every discussion must mean one must change his mind in the end. And don't think that if the other side don't adopt your idea then the whole discussion is meaningless. (of course, from my point of view, the more you stick to this Shkatrice theory, the more cheerful I will be. So if I can get you believing more into this theory by opposing you, or dissuading you from believing Shkatrice, this is both a win for me. So I have much reason to talk to you even if I more or less adhere to my own thoughts)
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2010-01-20, 13:33 | Link #1002 | |
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2010-01-20, 13:43 | Link #1003 |
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What does that say about the red from EP4?
The only one who can claim Kanon's name is the person himself! A different person cannot claim his name! If anyone's the child from 19 years ago, it'd have to be Shannon, especially since the child was almost certainly female, despite what was asserted over the phone. |
2010-01-20, 13:50 | Link #1004 | |
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The only one who can claim Kinzo's name is the person himself! A different person cannot claim his name! And yet some one posed as Kinzo which is pretty much the same as using the name Kinzo as a mask and therefore Every one Recognized Kinzo's existence.
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2010-01-20, 14:11 | Link #1005 |
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The red was no one would mistake another person for Kinzo, it was never said that no one can't claim his name. In fact if no one could claim his name then Battler wouldn't have had the the authority to do so in episode 5, but he did. I think Battler did theorize that Kinzo's name could be passed down along with the headship of the family and I don't remember it ever being denied.
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2010-01-20, 14:12 | Link #1006 | |
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@Amegashita: When did Battler claim Kinzo's name? EDIT: There is still a possibility that someone impersonated Kinzo's voice over the phone rather than appearing in person. But since Kyrie, Gohda, and Kumasawa claimed that Kinzo actually appeared in the dining room, that raises more questions than it answers. |
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You all make too many assumptions. Is this really a satisfactory answer for you? It doesn't even explain anything anyway. You still can't come up with a theory for who's killing, or why, that makes any satisfactory sense. You can't explain the disaster/bomb/who-knows-what, why it's there, and who did it. It seems like everyone's just leaping to embrace a theory that essentially helps you explain nothing at all. I'm convinced there's something far more important going on in ep6 and the goal was to mislead everyone with a meaningless "confirmation."
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And what's this about red being "shattered?" It's red. It's true. It always has been. She could say it in red. So could Battler and Beatrice. They're both right. They have to be. So isn't that a problem? Isn't that something to think about? Why is what Erika said irrelevant? You might as well dismiss Natsuhi is not the culprit in ep5 because it wasn't accepted at the time. Well... it was still true, right? Erika's statement is correct. Battler/Beato's statement is also correct. Any theory has to account for this. Shkanon alone does not satisfy both statements. Quote:
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With Kinzo, we had much more elaborate deception. With Shkanon, we have very little that has tried to lead us away from the theory. That's way, way too suspicious to me. There's no way an elaborate and critical reveal like that would never be given some better obfuscation than one scene and a bunch of non-Battler scenes. Quote:
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2010-01-20, 14:41 | Link #1008 | |
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Then who the heck was the burnt corpse?! Person X 2!? Edit: Yaah this is becoming hectic.. Maybe Burnt corpse Person X2 was the Temp!Kinzo who passed his name to Person X1 before he died by Person X1. Or After Person X2 Passed down the name of Text!Kinzo to Person X1.. Person X1 Killed Person X2 and burnt his corpse, left the ring on the corpse to make it look like "Kinzo died" to create a Person X?
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2010-01-20, 14:42 | Link #1009 |
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When he was impersonating Kinzo in the 5th game as a way to prove how Kinzo was able to leave the room. It was stated by Erika I believe that since Battler is the new head she would allow him to show his theory. In a way that can be seen as "Claiming" his name for a period of time.
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I guess our differences lies on the fact that Ryukishi is a total bastard while I do not. Sure he trolls a lot... in the beginning, but at this point in Higurashi a huge portion of the plot was exposed, still I guess you would say that it was too evident that Spoiler for higurashi:
I think there's quite a higher probability that the time where he tries to make the riddle difficult ended, and the time where he starts to give obvious hints already begun. Quote:
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And the red about Sakutaro is kind of questionable. Beatrice was unable to finish stating it in red, just as Battler was unable to finish stating Asumu was his mother. It caused them pain, and they weren't able to finish. Erika didn't seem to have the same problem. Why was that? Granted, the part about Sakutaro being made by Rosa managed to get out. It's possible that was true, or at least was true in a fashion that satisfied the red. |
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2010-01-20, 15:19 | Link #1012 | |
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Erika was dying you can bet she was in pain.
The two reds are in total opposition one states that including Erika there are only 17 people the other states that Erika is 18th people. I can't see any way to make it work save from theories that defy the basics of aristotelian's logic Quote:
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2010-01-20, 15:27 | Link #1013 | ||
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Erika never narrates in Ep5, ever, and she certainly isn't narrating the parlor scene. Ryukishi isn't that great a writer at all. He's good with coming up with overcomplicated mysteries and epic trolls, but his writing has never been that great. |
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2010-01-20, 15:31 | Link #1015 |
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About Sakutaro there is a way for that red to still work. For example say someone at Rosa's workplace found the plans after her death and decided to try selling it. That way it was still one of a kind when Rosa made it. However when it got mass produced it was probably named differently. That way the red works fine. It would make for the ultimate irony if those designs ended up bailing her company out of trouble after her death now wouldn't it XD [/random theory >_>]
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2010-01-20, 15:33 | Link #1016 |
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Yeah that's what I also thought. I prefer to see it that way honestly, but logically speaking right now it's more probable that it's just a normal plush... sad 'though... I hope Ryukishi will show us that the theory you just mentioned is true.
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2010-01-20, 15:35 | Link #1017 | |
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As for Kinzo, he's not counted among the "persons" because he's dead before the start time of the games. Dead people only count if they've died during the game, so there could be a thousand corpses beneath Rokkenjima just so long as they've died before October 4th. That's my theory, at any rate. |
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I'd also appreciate it if someone explained to me why I'm crazy on some of the points I raised. You know, explain the relevance of Shkanon if it is true. |
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Also, remember how this whole game was said to be torture for Beatrice, and if you remember, 34 said Beatrice used to be in quite a pitiable state when she met her. This doesn't match Shannon at all, who has been having a good time with George, Jessica and in general. I also don't think this would apply to any other possible different personality of hers. And for that matter, I don't think it fits Jessica either.
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