Log Horizon S2 - Episode 11 Discussion / Poll

[zhangthang]

Originally Posted by frodonk

I do have a feeling they'll get back to that in the later episodes, if not then oh well.

For now, I'm more interested in what Shiroe is going to do with that Kunie guy and the last boss. As for those new armor/equipment, those could've come from switching from inventory to loot drops to other members sharing their stuff, didn't one of those other tank say that he doesn't mind nao taking the role of the main tank?

there's this one thing though, apparently only 2 healers are all it takes for a tank to survive a direct hit from a boss, I haven't seen any game that has that mechanic, considering that all things being equal and given unlimited time, a tank could whittle down the HP of the boss while being kept fully healed by 2 healers all the time.

Unless I got the situation wrong of course.

I remember that equipments, once have been worn can not be tranfered, given fact that not all SS member got phantasm class equipments, those things maybe Shiroe and Nao from old time, but they didn't use them much because they maybe too flashy for a small group.
And 2 healers are not enough to keep a tank safe, the other healers much run back and forth between them, furthermore Dikron only have to deal with the Frost Giant basic set of attack because he still have nearly full Hp since all Damage dealer focus on Ibra

[pagan poor]

Looks like Demikas has learned a bit of humility since we saw him in the first series. Now we see how his wife was able to keep him in check. Seemingly it's all he really has left. Not that it's a downer. She's seems like all kinds of awesome.

[Yan3242]

I still wonder why they need to aggro that black/white knight beforehand, couldn't they just break the bar and just gone to the next boss instead? More likely same result right? Or maybe that iron bar only "breakable" if the boss knight HP drop to certain amount?

About shirou and naotsugu new gear, i also think its their other gear not new one, if you play mmorpg a lot you should know to keep several gear in your inventory, gear with high def but low magic def, gear with low def but high resist, horrible stat gear but awesome effect like half cool down, etc. Same goes with weapon.

[Dark Wing]

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

...Even if Tetra was a male outside the game, it won't change the fact that she's female now. Ever increasingly so, given what we learned a few episode ago about how people with cross-gender avatars were slowly changing to match their avatar.

You know that must be really confusing when you start to cross the gender lines. I mean you know you were born male and all but then slowly start becoming more feminine. Also developing all the baggage that comes with being female like periods, pregnancy, etc.

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by Dark Wing

You know that must be really confusing when you start to cross the gender lines. I mean you know you were born male and all but then slowly start becoming more feminine. Also developing all the baggage that comes with being female like periods, pregnancy, etc.

That's the fun of this kind of story if one is willing to explore it ;p

[novakai]

accepting the game world been kind of a recurring theme lately, the players kind of accepted that they are not going back to the real world it seem. I mean many of them like their life in Elder Tales and start treating the game world as Real life, and they are slowly adjusting to the new world

[Mubyoshi]

I bet that once everyone has finally given up on going back and have decided to live in the game world forever and actually start enjoying their new lives is when everyone will finally spontaneously get transported back to the real world.

[orion]

Originally Posted by Dark Wing

You know that must be really confusing when you start to cross the gender lines. I mean you know you were born male and all but then slowly start becoming more feminine. Also developing all the baggage that comes with being female like periods, pregnancy, etc.

You're assuming that the females have menses in-game. It may not be the case. No one has said how children are produced in-game. It could be something totally different ala 12 Kingdoms.

Since the players are becoming more like the gender of their avatars, then if Tetra wasn't female, she is or will be soon.

Totally agree that Demikas wife is full of awesomeness.

[frodonk]

Originally Posted by zhangthang

I remember that equipments, once have been worn can not be tranfered, given fact that not all SS member got phantasm class equipments, those things maybe Shiroe and Nao from old time, but they didn't use them much because they maybe too flashy for a small group.

huh, you can't transfer worn items? that's terribly inconvenient for a mmorpg. And not using your best equips for a full raid doesn't make sense either, especially when shiroe and nao knows exactly what is at stake here.

And 2 healers are not enough to keep a tank safe, the other healers much run back and forth between them, furthermore Dikron only have to deal with the Frost Giant basic set of attack because he still have nearly full Hp since all Damage dealer focus on Ibra

Which means these bosses' basic damage isn't that high, at least not enough to 1 hit KO a player but their special attacks can still kill, well that's a really balanced gameplay then.

[Ickarium]

It very well could be the equivalent of resist gear.

In old-style MMOs, you had to grind and grind and grind (and grind!) to get a full set of resist gear for certain bosses. Like if you didn't have fire resist (which was annoying to get) in old-school Molten Core in WoW, you were pretty much dead instantly.

Could be something like that. Resist gear to resist the fire and stuff.

[DQueenie13]

Originally Posted by zhangthang

I remember that equipments, once have been worn can not be tranfered

That only applies to character-bound equips, I believe. There are plenty of equips that aren't chara-bound, and it's possible that the character-bound rule will slowly start to fade away along with some of the other MMO rules.

[teja208]

I've just noticed something unusual. If it's true that episode 8 and this episode are happening at the same date, that would mean either Kinjou can teleport outside Akiba or there are actually two Kinjous.

[Sheba]

He have Littlefinger's jetpack.

[ronelm2000]

Originally Posted by teja208

I've just noticed something unusual. If it's true that episode 8 and this episode are happening at the same date, that would mean either Kinjou can teleport outside Akiba or there are actually two Kinjous.

Well, the raid started at the end of episode 8...

... I'd like to think that he can teleport though. (there's that armor that teleports. *cough*)

[DQueenie13]

This episode happened after Akiba's was already done, hence Shiroe calling Akatsuki last episode.

[FRS]

Got some nice raiding tactics showned on screens on this episode, the inclusion of Demikras wife was a nice addition (been a while since i havent heard Noto Mamiko).

[BigFire]

Originally Posted by Yan3242

I still wonder why they need to aggro that black/white knight beforehand, couldn't they just break the bar and just gone to the next boss instead? More likely same result right? Or maybe that iron bar only "breakable" if the boss knight HP drop to certain amount?

About shirou and naotsugu new gear, i also think its their other gear not new one, if you play mmorpg a lot you should know to keep several gear in your inventory, gear with high def but low magic def, gear with low def but high resist, horrible stat gear but awesome effect like half cool down, etc. Same goes with weapon.

They need to aggro the first boss in order to get the gates open to the other 2 bosses.

[kukuru]

Yep. The doors are closed to as in standard MMO to progress through a raid like normal.

And foul play works both ends. Never underestimate gamers.

Though I wish the author wouldn't use something as generic as a wall hack. It's like the 1st thing every modern MMO player does these days.

Though to non-MMOers, of course it would be a form of perfect strat for a glasses villain to con up.

No-Raider with any pride will ever use a wall-hack to win. Down right cheating, and GMs would of course nullify it.

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by kukuru

Yep. The doors are closed to as in standard MMO to progress through a raid like normal.

And foul play works both ends. Never underestimate gamers.

Though I wish the author wouldn't use something as generic as a wall hack. It's like the 1st thing every modern MMO player does these days.

Though to non-MMOers, of course it would be a form of perfect strat for a glasses villain to con up.

No-Raider with any pride will ever use a wall-hack to win. Down right cheating, and GMs would of course nullify it.

No definition I've found for that term matches anything they did. Try again?

[Metaneo]

They didn't wall hack anything, all they did was separate the bosses so they wouldn't help each other. The monsters might be able to ignore Dungeon/Raid rules, but they still can't ignore combat rules.

Wallhacking:

Spoiler for Definition:

Wallhacking allows a player to see through solid or opaque objects and/or manipulate or remove textures, to know in advance when an opponent is about to come into targeting range from an occluded area. This can be done by making wall textures transparent, or modifying the game maps to insert polygonal holes into otherwise solid walls.

As with the aimbot, wallhacking relies on the fact that an FPS server usually sends raw positional information for all players in the game, and leaves it up to the client's 3D renderer to hide opponents behind walls, in plant foliage, or in dark shadows. If the game map rendering could be turned off completely, all players could be seen moving around in what appears to be empty space. Complete map hiding offers no advantage to a cheater as they would be unable to navigate the invisible map pathways and obstacles. However if only certain surfaces are made transparent or removed, this leaves just enough of an outline of the world to allow the cheater still to navigate it easily. Wallhacking is more widely used than aimbot as it provides an almost undetectable consistent hack, it is also much more dependable as in you will know where every player is before and can pre-aim or pre-fire and would not give constant headshots and would look less like a bot, it is well known in such games as Halo and the Call of Duty series.

When used in conjunction certain wallhacks allow the player to shoot through solid objects, which is known as "opk" (One Place Killing) in such games as Combat Arms, because the killer can generally stay in one spot. A subset known as WhiteWalls removes the color/texture from objects in the surrounding environment, providing distinct contrast to opposition character models, which remain colored/textured. A subset of wallhacking is also called "chamming."