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View Poll Results: Ore no Imouto - Episode 15 (TRUE ROUTE - END) Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 33 | 32.04% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 21 | 20.39% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 14 | 13.59% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 19 | 18.45% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 9 | 8.74% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 0.97% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 3 | 2.91% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 3 | 2.91% | |
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2011-06-01, 19:15 | Link #81 |
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Well, all I'd clarify is that it's not the characters "are not being clear about what they want", it's that what they want isn't clear to them for reasons both shown and alluded-to in the show. Not going to argue about whether it's better or worse for the story that way... but a lot of shows I've personally enjoyed have demonstrated this sort of emotional ambiguity (again, not just "I'm not telling you", but "I really don't know how I feel yet"). As I said, opinions...
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2011-06-01, 19:29 | Link #82 |
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Ambiguity tends to be a double edged sword. Sometimes a well written and subtle story can make use of it to make you think of what just happened. Other times though, it just leads to something disappointing, and I guess I feels like this could be one of these cases to people.
Unless they want to hook in a second season.... I guess I'm pretty ambivalent about that possibility.
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2011-06-01, 19:29 | Link #83 |
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Regarding some of the recent discussion over Kyousuke, Kirino and Kuroneko...
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2011-06-01, 19:29 | Link #84 | |
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The only reason someone like Kyousuke should be so confused is if he has conflicting feelings about his sister. However, as mentioned before, if they wanted to go down the romance route between them two, or allude to it, I find it extremely jarring (Not simply because it's incest though after Yosuga no Sora I think I could use a break from that) due to the lack of explainable reasons for such feelings of confusion. Yes, he's been helping his sister this whole time. But really, his treatment has been less than satisfactory. You may argue that while we ourselves don't see the reason to like Kirino that Kyousuke does and it would be out of character for him to simply state he doesn't like her and be done with it... However, isn't it important to try to keep characters in dramatic stories well grounded? If the audience can't see why the character would make a decision, put themselves in their shoes, is it not hard to empathize with the characters? Making the plot coherent and understandable is all I'm asking for. Even if Kyousuke himself is confused, the audience should be able to see this confusion and break down the reasons why, citing dialog and events showcasing why this confusion arose. At the moment, I see none of this.
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2011-06-01, 19:37 | Link #85 |
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People who are complaining about Kyousuke's abrupt reaction in the end will probably have to read the light novel to have a better understanding of why Kyousuke had that abrupt reaction in the end. Because this "end" isn't as well-adapted from the light novel into the anime, so it seems abrupt. Yep, not so good adaptation per se.
Also, Kirino's actual personality isn't as rough as many think, because in the light novel, she is shown to have more/as equal of a dere side than a tsun side. It's just that this anime has pretty much portrayed more of her tsun side than her dere side. So yeah.
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2011-06-01, 21:58 | Link #91 | |
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2011-06-01, 22:05 | Link #92 | |
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The fact simply is that we're at a natural disadvantage. We have a limited perspective that is quite valid, but probably not ideal or maybe even what the anime director/writers intended. We could judge the production staff for it, but they also may not care what we think. And so it goes...
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2011-06-01, 22:06 | Link #93 |
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How did Kyousuke get that lolicon eroge past customs?
I have to say the anime kinda did a disservice to Kirino's character by turning her tsun up to 11. She seems much cuter in the novels and manga. Even the last episode is different from the novels. Kirino was supposed to be sick when Kyousuke showed up. Last edited by TakezoMusashi; 2011-06-01 at 22:17. |
2011-06-01, 22:17 | Link #94 |
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To defend Kyousuke a bit on the Kuroneko implied romantic confession:
1. Those were some awfully nasty insults she was throwing at him, guys. Are these really the sort of lines you want to say in the lead-up to an implied romantic confession? : "You are really... the worst kind of pathetic senpai." "A thickheaded, perverted, lazy idiot with terrible judgement." Kyousuke has done absolutely nothing to deserve these sorts of harsh, over-the-top insults. He has consistently gone out of his way to help Kuroneko, and she decides to insult him like this? 2. Kuroneko made a huge deal over Kyousuke not acting more quickly in trying to help out Kirino. Kuroneko was basically saying that Kyousuke should have just stood her up in order to help out his sister. How exactly do you take that sort of comment from a girl that you're on friendly terms with, and who may or may not have romantic feelings for you? Now, yes, this is Kuroneko being kuudere or tsundere towards Kyousuke. It's consistent with anime tropes. However, if we're going to judge this scene through the prism of strict realism, those sorts of comments on Kuroneko's part would legitimately confuse, if not even piss off, the person on the receiving end of them. Kyousuke only seems particularly dense, imo, when you expect him to be genre savvy to the fictional world that he's in. But most people wouldn't pass off Kuroneko's comments as simply her being kuudere in real life, so I don't see why we should expect that of Kyousuke here.
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2011-06-01, 22:24 | Link #95 | |
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And I make a correction to one of my earlier posts. Kirino was supposed to be sick. oops. And these lines during the eroge talk are classic : Spoiler for 2 lines from LN:
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2011-06-01, 22:35 | Link #96 | |
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2011-06-01, 22:46 | Link #97 | |
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2011-06-01, 23:28 | Link #98 | ||
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Again all I can say is that I believe for the reasons that I've laid out, that I and others who think similarly may be unable to enjoy this anime as much as others. I recognize people view things differently. I do feel that I can say with confidence at the very least that any attempts to go down any sort incestual route in this anime will probably kill the show's popularity int he West even more so if it hasn't already been. Indeed I realize that I am not the target audience of this show by any means.
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2011-06-01, 23:30 | Link #99 |
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I wasn't really bothered by Kyousuke continuing to go after the 'confession' from Kuroneko. It didn't feel like a full confession anyways and she was pretty literally pushing him on his way. I think she knew that it wasn't going to be possible to truly confess with this Kirino situation hanging overhead. Considering it had been several months she had to be worried too. Think she really only went half way with the confession to get Kyousuke thinking some more, say some of the things she wanted to and make her stand before Kirino was dealt with. There is plenty of time for her to confess in the way that is necessary (being obvious enough to overpower Kyousuke's denseness) .
Maybe the only thing that really made me roll my eyes during the Kyousuke and Kirino moments was the whole "I'll die" thing. You were doing just fine making a point before that. Think he had to be that over the top to make a stubborn Kirino give up on this. She wouldn't enjoy suffering through the rest of this time and neither would Kyousuke or the others. Think most of it was his true feelings (and being a siscon) and part was trying to once again act for Kirino's own good. Good job dealing with customs .
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2011-06-02, 00:00 | Link #100 | |
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I can't speak for eroge, but I've brought plenty of doujins through US Customs right in my carry-on. Never gave it a thought, never had a problem.
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Now, in this ending, he's right back to square one. Any feelings he has for Kuroneko or Manami are jettisoned as he whips away to America. And once there, any progress he'd made in his relationship with Kirino is gone, too - right back to square one - she insults and degrades him (at least she didn't kick him in the nuts this time - I guess we call that progress) and he meekly takes it and offers himself at her beck and call. Breaks down in tears and pleads her to come home, because he can't function without her. Excuse me? What was all that healthy school life I was looking at what she was gone? Everything felt stagnant. Kirino didn't really grow much either, as far as I'm concerned. I've said since early on that Kyou was doing her no favors by allowing her to behave the way she did and suffer no consequences for it. There were hints of progress in the "good end", but the conversation in her dorm could easily have taken place in the second or third episode. It was actually worse, because he more or less openly acknowledged that he was attracted to her and uninterested in being with anyone else. That just makes me sad. I hope that at least gives you a better idea of where my disappointment is coming from. I suspect we're at the point of diminishing returns on this discussion, because it seems to be a simply case of a different set of expectations and a different interpretation of events, and I'm fine with that. But you asked - so I gave it a shot!
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