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frivolity · 2013-02-17, 18:30

The definition of introverts, given in the book, and afaik many other psychology texts, is as NorthernFallout said, recharging or gaining energy by being alone, like in this comic:

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Apparently, even Obama would be considered an introvert based on this definition. I suppose that after making one of his grand speeches, he'll need to spend some time recharging in a solitary environment.

I'm listed as quite an extreme introvert as well using all the tests I've taken so far. Certain aspects of the book are correct in terms of its criticism of modern culture and the excessive focus on personality and external image, both of which favour extroverts. Defamation law, for example, protects your reputation as opposed to your character, ie what others think of you and not who you really are. However, having read the book halfway, it's starting to seem a lot like an individual's rant against her perceived unfairness of a society that doesn't understand her.

Kudryavka · 2013-02-17, 19:29

why are people (not in this thread) making introversion seem like it's a mental deficiency...

Do people know the difference between someone who doesn't act like you, and someone who actually has a real problem?

Also I just wanted to mention that it is very possible to be some extrovert, some introvert. And not being extremely open to strangers or acquaintances you don't know well does not make you an introvert.

Irenicus · 2013-02-17, 20:25

Your brain would be wired pretty interestingly if you can both gain and lose energy from social interactions.

Which is kind of the clinical definition of the introvert-extrovert spectrum. How social interaction affects your mental stamina.

That tendency has a pretty strong effect on how you develop your "traits," enough to produce heavily ingrained stereotypes of how an extrovert and an introvert are supposed to act, but they are just tendencies. Some introverts have adapted themselves so brilliantly they become the President of the United States of the Brash-and-Loud 'Murrica.

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I am just gonna link this article: Caring For Your Introvert.

I remember that Atlantic article. While some unfortunately took its satirical tone seriously, it probably saved so many lives given the overwhelming positive reaction from the world's many tortured introverts.

I know I had an Aha! moment myself when I realized why I was cheerful and happy and friendly for the first twenty minutes of whatever event then promptly shut up and observe and no doubt appear grouchy to everyone else, as if on cue, or why I don't understand how come most people are afraid of public speaking but can do social small talk, which I absolutely suck at. I was -- and am -- a very, very heavy introvert.

It took a little more insight to realize that most people are not like me and that they can handle more than an hour of social interaction without feeling...drained, murky. You introverts out there know what I mean.

I still can't wrap my head around the idea that being around people energizes you though. How the hell does that work? Zerglings?

Kudryavka · 2013-02-17, 20:36

Some days I need to talk to everyone, some days I just need to sit down and think philosophically (and talk to a few close people).

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I still can't wrap my head around the idea that being around people energizes you though. How the hell does that work? Zerglings?

For me, it makes me feel good inside that there are people who enjoy my company and time, and I like them too. When I start talking to someone I like I don't want to stop!

And then I can't wait to see them again. Maybe that is the energy they're talking about. I get happy to be alive so I can be with people when I get the energy.

I think I show traits of both. Used to try to figure out which I was more of, then said whatev, I'm just me...

Triple_R · 2013-02-17, 20:47

This thread has ironically been informative to me - Informative about what makes extroverts tick.

I used to think that extroverts were just incredibly bubbly, sociable people with impressively boundless energy.

"Don't they ever get tired from talking to loads of people almost all the time?" is a thought I sometimes had of the more consistently extroverted people I knew.

But now it sounds to me like extroverts gain energy from social situations. It charges their batteries rather than depleting them. So I guess I can see why the extrovert is the way he or she is. If socializing actually pumps you up, then it only makes sense to embrace it as much as you possibly can.

For myself, after I've attended a large social gathering of two hours or longer in duration, I absolutely need to crash (i.e. be in a very relaxed environment, chatting only with close family members/friends and/or all by myself playing games, watching anime, etc...).

Vexx · 2013-02-17, 21:01

Are we talking about socializing or getting things accomplished?

SaintessHeart · 2013-02-17, 21:02

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Originally Posted by Vexx

Are we talking about socializing or getting things accomplished?

Socialising. Getting work done is a different issue.

ChainLegacy · 2013-02-17, 21:44

I get sick and tired of social interaction very quickly, unless it is with people I know very well and am fond of, so yes, I'm an introvert. On the other hand, I have a lot of traits most people would consider more closely associated with an extrovert - I can be loud, boisterous, confident, aggressive, etc depending on the circumstances. From a pure social interaction lens, though, I'm very much an introvert. I will say, though, with my very close friends and my brother, I never feel like I'm being drained of energy, in stark contrast to socializing with acquaintances and strangers.

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Are we talking about socializing or getting things accomplished?

It's like a switch is flipped if there's a common goal to be achieved - I often like to take a leadership role in those scenarios, or at least be an active participant (assuming I know what I'm doing

). Pure, aimless socializing feels so very different from 'social working'.

Archon_Wing · 2013-02-17, 21:58

So how are you guys finding those cool 4 letter MTBI distinctions anyways? I know some online tests have them but not really sure of the validity.

SaintessHeart · 2013-02-17, 22:21

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Originally Posted by Archon_Wing

So how are you guys finding those cool 4 letter MTBI distinctions anyways? I know some online tests have them but not really sure of the validity.

Go take one that is administered by your resident asylum. Or at is what they call the psychiatric treatment and research institute here.

I got ENTP on online tests, but the asylum marked me as INTJ. The only component that is unchanged is NT, meaning which I am a Newtype.

Joking. It simply I discover unknowns through excessive use of logic.

Cosmic Eagle · 2013-02-17, 22:29

INFP here...I like going out with friends but ultimately, I still find most solace within myself. You don't have to be a non-riajuu to be an introvert BTW...There's plenty of people with massive social circles and lives that would still be inward focused at heart.

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I still can't wrap my head around the idea that being around people energizes you though. How the hell does that work? Zerglings?

Must...resist...urge to make...Generals China Horde bonus joke...

NorthernFallout · 2013-02-18, 02:51

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Originally Posted by Archon_Wing

So how are you guys finding those cool 4 letter MTBI distinctions anyways? I know some online tests have them but not really sure of the validity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers-B...Type_Indicator has most, and then you have further definitions in other areas. What I find with these tests are that they might not be reliable per se, but the result's description usually fits me unnaturally well. So instead of doing tests, you can check around for the different types and see which ones apply.

As well as http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-p...e/mbti-basics/ which explains a bit more.

Irenicus · 2013-02-18, 04:18

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Originally Posted by Kudryavka

For me, it makes me feel good inside that there are people who enjoy my company and time, and I like them too. When I start talking to someone I like I don't want to stop!

And then I can't wait to see them again. Maybe that is the energy they're talking about. I get happy to be alive so I can be with people when I get the energy.

So, like, can you keep the tempo up basically indefinitely? No sense of exhaustion after an hour or two, no running out of things to talk about? And say, after a whole day of hanging out, shopping or whatever, are you refreshed and ready to go for more?

I'm actually pretty curious how this extroversion thing really works. Introversion, that I know.

Any self-identified extroverts want to fill me in? What does social interaction feel to you?

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Must...resist...urge to make...Generals China Horde bonus joke...

Bring it on.

Ascaloth · 2013-02-18, 04:38

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Originally Posted by Cosmic Eagle

Must...resist...urge to make...Generals China Horde bonus joke...

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Originally Posted by Irenicus

Bring it on.

We Stand Together!

DemonOfWrath · 2013-02-18, 05:05

I have to say that's a pretty mind-blowing definition of introvert/extrovert for me, as despite considering myself a massive introvert I don't get drained by social activities in the slightest and find doing stuff alone to be really boring which suddenly makes me an extrovert. That's it though, everything else about me is stereotypical introvert however, which makes said discovery really amusing.

Irenicus, for me personally it's just no sense of exhaustion really. I'll almost certainly run out of stuff to talk about with most people, but I never want to stop or leave as long as people I know are around and I'm not somewhere that makes me feel really uncomfortable. Generally straight after saying goodbye to whoever I'm with I feel somewhat melancholy about it being over and immediately want to see them again as soon as possible. Unless I'm doing stuff with someone else not much later, in which case I'm immediately looking forward to that.

As for what it feels like, hmm, I suppose it's that just purely that being with someone is what makes the whole thing worthwhile and enjoyable, doesn't really matter what we're doing. Socialising is its own reward to me, so I can't get tired of it I guess.

Archon_Wing · 2013-02-18, 06:17

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Originally Posted by NorthernFallout

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers-B...Type_Indicator has most, and then you have further definitions in other areas. What I find with these tests are that they might not be reliable per se, but the result's description usually fits me unnaturally well. So instead of doing tests, you can check around for the different types and see which ones apply.

As well as http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-p...e/mbti-basics/ which explains a bit more.

Well, you're going to end up picking up what sounds the coolest imo.

Off the one for wiki: http://psychology-tools.com/myers-br...ype-indicator/ It says INTP/ and depending what tests I take usually get ENTP/INTP.

SaintessHeart · 2013-02-18, 06:26

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Originally Posted by Archon_Wing

Well, you're going to end up picking up what sounds the coolest imo.

Off the one for wiki: http://psychology-tools.com/myers-br...ype-indicator/ It says INTP/ and depending what tests I take usually get ENTP/INTP.

Still INTJ.

HasuMasu · 2013-02-18, 06:42

I feel very uncomfortable taking such tests, they feel like an interrogation.

Colorquiz on the other hand feels more like an understanding friend.

On the subject of introversion and extroversion, I've not observed any consistent patterns with regards to myself.

In that light, I'd say both or neither.

frivolity · 2013-02-18, 07:11

Got ISTJ on the above. Another test listed me as INFP, so the only constant is the introvert part

Archon_Wing · 2013-02-18, 07:17

I'm more interested at assigning them to anime characters.

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Triple_R Senior Member Author Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Newfoundland, Canada Age: 42	This thread has ironically been informative to me - Informative about what makes extroverts tick. I used to think that extroverts were just incredibly bubbly, sociable people with impressively boundless energy. "Don't they ever get tired from talking to loads of people almost all the time?" is a thought I sometimes had of the more consistently extroverted people I knew. But now it sounds to me like extroverts gain energy from social situations. It charges their batteries rather than depleting them. So I guess I can see why the extrovert is the way he or she is. If socializing actually pumps you up, then it only makes sense to embrace it as much as you possibly can. For myself, after I've attended a large social gathering of two hours or longer in duration, I absolutely need to crash (i.e. be in a very relaxed environment, chatting only with close family members/friends and/or all by myself playing games, watching anime, etc...). __________________ Last edited by Triple_R; 2013-02-17 at 21:02.

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Vexx Obey the Darkly Cute ... Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ... Age: 66	Are we talking about socializing or getting things accomplished? __________________ "It Really IS Rocket Science", Novel series rough drafts; vol. 1 thru vol. 3 complete Volume 4 in work, Visit the thread for short stories!

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frivolity My posts are frivolous Join Date: Nov 2008 Age: 35	The definition of introverts, given in the book, and afaik many other psychology texts, is as NorthernFallout said, recharging or gaining energy by being alone, like in this comic: Images Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload? Apparently, even Obama would be considered an introvert based on this definition. I suppose that after making one of his grand speeches, he'll need to spend some time recharging in a solitary environment. I'm listed as quite an extreme introvert as well using all the tests I've taken so far. Certain aspects of the book are correct in terms of its criticism of modern culture and the excessive focus on personality and external image, both of which favour extroverts. Defamation law, for example, protects your reputation as opposed to your character, ie what others think of you and not who you really are. However, having read the book halfway, it's starting to seem a lot like an individual's rant against her perceived unfairness of a society that doesn't understand her.

2013-02-17, 19:29	Link #22
Kudryavka Senior Member Join Date: May 2009	why are people (not in this thread) making introversion seem like it's a mental deficiency... Do people know the difference between someone who doesn't act like you, and someone who actually has a real problem? Also I just wanted to mention that it is very possible to be some extrovert, some introvert. And not being extremely open to strangers or acquaintances you don't know well does not make you an introvert.

2013-02-18, 05:05	Link #35
DemonOfWrath Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011	I have to say that's a pretty mind-blowing definition of introvert/extrovert for me, as despite considering myself a massive introvert I don't get drained by social activities in the slightest and find doing stuff alone to be really boring which suddenly makes me an extrovert. That's it though, everything else about me is stereotypical introvert however, which makes said discovery really amusing. Irenicus, for me personally it's just no sense of exhaustion really. I'll almost certainly run out of stuff to talk about with most people, but I never want to stop or leave as long as people I know are around and I'm not somewhere that makes me feel really uncomfortable. Generally straight after saying goodbye to whoever I'm with I feel somewhat melancholy about it being over and immediately want to see them again as soon as possible. Unless I'm doing stuff with someone else not much later, in which case I'm immediately looking forward to that. As for what it feels like, hmm, I suppose it's that just purely that being with someone is what makes the whole thing worthwhile and enjoyable, doesn't really matter what we're doing. Socialising is its own reward to me, so I can't get tired of it I guess.

2013-02-18, 06:42	Link #38
HasuMasu Senior Member Artist Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: The Middle Way	I feel very uncomfortable taking such tests, they feel like an interrogation. Colorquiz on the other hand feels more like an understanding friend. On the subject of introversion and extroversion, I've not observed any consistent patterns with regards to myself. In that light, I'd say both or neither.

2013-02-18, 07:11	Link #39
frivolity My posts are frivolous Join Date: Nov 2008 Age: 35	Got ISTJ on the above. Another test listed me as INFP, so the only constant is the introvert part