2014-06-25, 21:44 | Link #4462 | |
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2014-06-30, 09:12 | Link #4463 | |
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BTW, has anyone noticed the plot hole in UBW? Rin appearantly has 4 Command Spells... 1. Make Archer Obey in prologue 2. Order Archer not to attack Saber and Shirou until their alliance ends 3. Order Saber to stand back from the "evil mud" Ater using these 3 command spells she talks about "forcing Saber to destroy the grail" and then the narration proceeds to say that "Tohsaka has 1 more command spell". I wonder how no one noticed that yet... Last edited by GreyZone; 2014-06-30 at 09:28. |
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2014-06-30, 14:52 | Link #4464 | |
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Apparently, making a new contract gives you new spells. Medea's Master used all his Command Spells before she killed him, yet Kuzuki used at least one Command Spell in one Dead End in UBW. She also gained new Command Spells when she stole Saber by using Rule Breaker and Shirou already used all of his three Command Spells before it happened. |
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2014-06-30, 15:37 | Link #4465 | |
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Moreover If Tohsaka got 3 new command spells, then she should have had 2 left when she was inside the "grail monster" with Shinji, but instead it was just one. Maybe the whole thing with 3 new command spell was a skill that is exclusive to Caster? After all normally Servants shouldn't even be able to become Masters... I got a feeling that Nasu got himself a bit confused regarding the command spell issue, when he wrote Unlimited Blade Works. |
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2014-06-30, 16:04 | Link #4466 | ||
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My headcanon regarding the UBW Command Spell issue: Shirou uses all three Command Spells on Saber --> Saber gets stolen by Caster, Caster gains three new spells because Caster and Rule Breaker are haxx --> Caster uses one to order Saber to kill Rin and Shirou --> Caster dies and Saber's forced contract with her ends --> Rin makes a normal contract with Saber and gets the remaining two Command Spells --> Rin uses one Spell to stop Saber and another one to destroy the Grail. Then it would make sense why she only has one spell left after stopping Saber. |
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2014-06-30, 16:07 | Link #4467 |
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Though that's completely contradictory to how Command Spells worked in Fate/Zero.
Easiest way to think about it is just that it was a mistake to say she used a Command Spell to keep Saber out of the mud, or that she didn't actually have any left and whoever thought/said she did was mistaken. |
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2014-06-30, 16:28 | Link #4469 |
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OK then most makes sense... We can suppose that creating brand new Command Spells is a special ability that from the known characters only Caster (and possibly Zouken, due to his Makiri background) possesses.
Aside from that it seems the regular command spells are not master-bound, but servant-bound (which makes sense, because you cannot use the command spell on a servant that is not yours). That is the only explanation for how Rin got the 2 Command Spells from Caster. But that does not explain how Shirou could make a contract with Saber, if Rin used her last Command Spell... I see there is still a few debatable things, even with this explanation. |
2014-07-08, 21:47 | Link #4470 |
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Because anyone can make a contract with a Servant (see Kozuki) whether they have command spells or not. You just can't make a contract with a Servant currently bound by command spells to another Master. Once the command spells are gone it seems that its more like there's nothing enforcing the contract rather than saying that it immediately breaks. So Shirou could easily create a new contract with Saber once she wasn't bound by command spells any more. He probably won't get new ones with a new contract, but it should still be enough to serve as an anchor for her (and for a better mage to supply her with mana).
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2014-07-08, 23:34 | Link #4471 | |
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2014-07-13, 16:46 | Link #4472 |
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I think the command spells and the contract are seperate. The contract is, I think, just a standard contract (Rin makes a similar contract with Shirou in UBW, and then proceeds to call him her "servant"), the only thing that is unusual is the command spells. For example, I would assume Sakura must have re-contracted Rider post-HF, because Shirou used Rule Breaker on her and that should have broken their existing contract. There was no Grail to hand out command spells, but she still made a contract to supply Rider with prana.
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2014-07-26, 09:11 | Link #4475 |
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For the Archer vs Lancer schoolyard fight in the beginning, all the CG's were only their swords clashing. Is this going to be a recurring thing for the rest of the fight scenes? I was hoping it'd actually show the character's themselves fighting.
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2014-07-26, 09:26 | Link #4476 |
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Often visual novel companies don't have the budget to animate everything, because of this they will often try to be creative with still images. The same applies to Fate/stay night, the way how the Archer vs. Lancer schoolyard fight was represented is how all the fights in F/SN are represented.
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2014-07-26, 20:42 | Link #4477 | ||
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Anyways with the new Realta Nua translation, I've started reading FSN again. Halp. |
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