Clannad ~After Story~ - Episode 17 Discussion / Poll

[Klashikari]

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[envyitachi89]

Spoiler for Episode Spoilers:

The episode was great, from what I can tell from the RAW, it seems like Tomoya is taking care of Ushio while Sanae is gone. Also, it feels like that Tomoya and Ushio do not have a understanding of each other. Seems like Ushio and Tomoya are going to a trip somewhere in the preview for the next episode.

Ushio's voice is so cute!

[Rasuberi]

This episode was... a lot better than I was expecting.

Spoiler:

... For I was expecting a boring emofest via Tomoya. Not that he doesn't deserve one, obviously, but I'm very thankful CLANNAD skips 5 years. I don't think I could have beared seeing a funeral scene or anything like that either...

Nonetheless it's disheartening to see Ushio and Tomoya's (nonexistant) relationship... even though I knew it was going to be like this. Actually, it was better than I thought it would be as well. I was afraid Tomoya would be a utter jerk to Ushio, but he just seems to have gone into a permanent daze after Nagisa left. Tomoya doesn't know how to act like a father, and poor Ushio feels uncomfortable around him. It's hard not too since he's uncomfortable as well and often looks like he's glaring at her. Ushio is utterly adorable though... I'm far more impatient than usual for next weeks episode, and the rest of them as well!

[SidVicious]

Shio-chan is cute like her mom.

[Ithekro]

After what happened last week in relation to the ED, this week was surprisingly clever. Nice segue.

Also fairly clever use of lighting and color for emotional effects. But they've been doing that the entire series.

[Mecha_Trueno]

Originally Posted by Rasuberi

This episode was... a lot better than I was expecting.

Spoiler:

... For I was expecting a boring emofest via Tomoya.

I was expecting a whole episode of that as well, but hey, KyoAni's got some brains.

After what happened last week in relation to the ED, this week was surprisingly clever

lol until the end of this episode, I kept thinking it was Nagisa skipping (can be confused with their summer uniform)
Does anyone find the OP depressing now? It's lke "ah man, don't keep reminding us of Nagisa"

Spoiler:

I was a little WTF @ Ushio's voice, sounds like a boy lol, but then got used to it.
Thought Sanae's phone spamming was funny. I gotta say, Tomoya is lucky to have such great parents in law. Thanks to that, he can actually have some 'recovery time', however many years that might take... its been five already.
Through the whole second half of the episode, I was SO cringing and thinking "omg, is he gonna snap? is he gonna lose it? please don't become a Ushio beater," especially with his glaring look. And it looks like he's still on this tight rope next episode.
So... he ditched her entrance ceremony...does this mean Ushio is already the under the guidence of the tsundere teacher? Or is this not till another school year?

[bladeofdarkness]

while the ep was really nice
i cant help but feel a great sense of sadness watching the two interact
that tomoya is not himself is obvius (there is something about him that just seems dead inside)
but his interaction with ushio just leaves me with a general sense of him not wanting ushio around which is really making me sad (even more so given how cute ushio is and how she reminds me of her mother)
i just get a sort of sense that tomoya considers ushio as the reason why nagisa is gone (i'm still not over that one)
just hearing tomoya saying in the opening how his relationship with nagisa (and it leading to ushio being born) was a mistake
it just made me feel like crying

im also amazed at just how well they did this ep
half the episode involves a man and a 5 year old girl sitting around the house doing practiclly nothing of importence
communicating at a very low level (and with practiclly no humor at all)
and at one point going to the store to buy food
and i couldnt take my eyes off the screen for a second
i dont ever think i have seen something so simple and meaningless being presented in such a compelling way before
most slice of life shows (which are based around that kind of premise) cant pull it off half as well (even when relaying on humor)
its just really really good

[Mecha_Trueno]

Originally Posted by SidVicious

Shio-chan is cute like her mom.

But she broke the ahoge blood line... dammit, all coz of stupid old Tomoya's non-ahoge blood got mixed in there

[Ithekro]

Kept feeling like he was going to treat her like he treated Fuko...

[Tempester]

Originally Posted by Mecha_Trueno

But she broke the ahoge blood line... dammit, all coz of stupid old Tomoya's non-ahoge blood got mixed in there

I'm happy she doesn't have any ahoge. She needs to have a physical difference from her mom and that is the flat hair. Or else she'd become a Nagisa clone.

Also, anyone noticed how Ushio's eyes are farther apart than any other characters? I love how well she was animated, but that just struck me as weird.

[Ithekro]

One's eyes are full sized at birth, yet one's head gets bigger. The spacing is to make her eyes seem larger I guess...or her head smaller.

[MeoTwister5]

Does Ushio have the same voice actor as in the game? Because for some reason, though I haven't seen the episode yet, I can't imagine Ushio sounding like anyone else.

[panzerfan]

yes. Ushio's voiced by the same VA.

[Proto]

I dare everyone not to skip over the opening

Anyway, KyoAni managed to wonderfully adapt one of the difficult part of the original media. I'll call it the angst arc. Heck, this time around I even liked it (special mention deserves the moment Ushio entered the stage and the world brighted up again). Once that's done, let's move on with the rest of the story.

Only nitpick of the episode: Ok, I'll accept that kids head to body ratio tends to be a little bigger than that of adults, but KyoAni exaggerated this a little

[Myssa Rei]

*insert incoherent cursing for being stuck at work and not being to watch the raw*

[panzerfan]

It's odd for me to watch this episode even well knowing of what this entails. I find it painful to watch Tomoya, and my respect for Sanae has only grown.

The audience do get a little bit of a cooling off, but the feel of the episode is clouded by what transpired last time. The absence of Nagisa is painfully evident in every corner and perhaps rightly so. Maybe one should and never be comfortable without Nagisa being present I suppose.

Ushio now will take center stage. It is clear that the story now falls on Tomoya and his daughter as the estranged duo start to find what each other represent in their lives.

The cinematography for this episode is fairly well done. Tomoya is absolutely awkward and completely detached from everything while Ushio is apprehensive and... reserved. The weariness of Tomoya contrasts with the liveliness of everyone else around him in my opinion. Somehow, one can really feel how that Ushio has not been given much time to savor childhood while Tomoya has lost more than 5 years in his growth. It looks like Tomoya needs to be in the care of the Furukawa and Ushio at his current state.

[mandarb916]

Gave it a 7...

The segue into the ending was neat, but it was a little....i can't quite put my finger on it...I can't say how I would improve it, but I wasn't really impressed with the episode. I guess it's partially because the next few episodes should have more importance than this one in the grand scheme of things...this just felt like a slightly emotional filler for lack of a better description...

[Proto]

this just felt like a slightly emotional filler for lack of a better description...

Transitional?

[Ithekro]

Is there any part of this series that could count as "filler"?

EDIT: Off tone note: Sanae is still hot as a 45 year old grandma. One tries to imagine Nagisa at that age.

[MeoTwister5]

Just saw the raw. I'm almost amazed just how well the studio managed to contrast father and daughter, in both animation and attitude.

And based on the preview... well I'll reserve those comments when the subs come out.