2012-10-20, 12:14 | Link #121 | |
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2012-10-20, 13:01 | Link #122 | |
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2012-10-20, 13:54 | Link #123 | |
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BTW when Kabuto talks to Madara through the zombie kage Muu he says he's not sure if Tobi wants to go by Madara's plan. Sure Kabuto would like if the Madara-Tobi alliance broke, but he wasn't telling a lie, so i think that's one of those scenes where the author wants to tell us that Tobi isn't going to be Madara's pawn, he has his own will that might be different from what Madara wants. And i think the most clear sign of this is Tobi's reaction when Kabuto summons Madara. Funny thing is that the young Obito was shown taking care of elders, even when it meant being late for his mission, but after Madara saved his life he didn't really show respect to the old dying man from his own clan. |
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2012-10-20, 16:02 | Link #125 |
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Back to the idea that Obito doesn't want vengeance: If that was the case, why did he try and release the Kyuubi on Konoha? Baring the incident being done by someone else (or Obito being controlled), the most efficient course of action would be to either take Kushina while she was delivering the baby (effectively taking the container before it pops and then collecting the Kyuubi as Kushina dies without help), or take Kushina after the baby had been delivered. I understand why he waited until she was pregnant (it made it easier to remove the Kyuubi), but his approach to taking the Kyuubi was so inefficient and downright detrimental (since he lost control of the beast for 16-17 years, and even lost the ability to control the beast at all) that either Obito is a worse idiot than imagined (which is possible) or he let his emotions cloud his judgement.
Additionally, besides wanting a room full of Sharingans (which I already explained were inefficiently gathered), it's hard to decipher Obito's actions toward his clan (with regard to their slaughter) without seeing hatred in his actions. In the end, can we really say that Obito is beyond vengeance? |
2012-10-20, 18:51 | Link #127 |
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Obito was probably 13-14 years old when Kyuubi was released. Considering his lack of either knowledge or experience at the time, it is possible that he was just following Madara's orders (he was talking about a plan at the time). It was unfortunate for him that he was no Itachi, so making mistakes was an important part of him despite Madara's guidance and Zetsu's teachings/help.
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2012-10-20, 23:29 | Link #129 | |
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Here's my take and it's taken me some random thoughts on this to conclude it: Obito doesn't want revenge - He plays by Madara's rules but he's mostly angry, a'la Nagato. That's why he didn't take Kakashi's eye (which would've given him MUCH more power, a better MS ability and crippled Konoha incredibly) and why he seems rather timid that Madara is here. He has different plans for Moon's Eye Plan, but he's probably smart enough to know that's not what Madara is cooking. Madara isn't going to just put the world in a genjutsu. Let's face it, he's not that... 'weird'. This is all a smoke screen. He wants to become the Jyuubi's Jinchuuriki because it would give him the powers of the Sage of the 6 Paths so he can take over the shinobi world. And where does Madara get off being upset about the sadness of the shinobi world? He didn't experience tragedy like Naruto, Sasuke, Nagato or Obito did. He just lost a fight. I don't buy it. I don't buy Madara's story. Going back to Sasuke. I think we are going to get some answers about the Uchiha clan and that's going to answer a LOT of questions about the motives behind the slaughter and why the Uchiha wanted to branch away from Konoha. I think Orochimaru is going to Edo Tensei the Uchiha clan so Sasuke can ask them about the coup de'tat. |
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2012-10-21, 05:48 | Link #131 | |
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not only that, but the kyuubi attack was necessary to set up the uchiha to be suspicious and ultimately massacred and set that whole line of events involving itachi and sasuke in motion as well. so even if it failed to annihilate konoha (which it did) it still served a purpose |
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2012-10-21, 16:35 | Link #134 | ||
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one of the few, if only personal motivations in obito i've seen is him not taking back kakashi's sharingan |
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2012-10-22, 09:22 | Link #136 |
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From not taking back his eye and killing Kakashi to becoming the mass murderer of konoha is the real question for me. Letting Madara's will take over his mind is the only logical explanation i can see right now. Otherwise these chapters that are meant to clear up possible plot holes have introduced another one: Kakashi being alive and part of the story
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2012-10-22, 10:15 | Link #137 | |
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Considering the ease of their elimination, and the inefficiency of their eye retrieval (which I mentioned earlier), setting the Uchiha up seemed more like a peripheral detail that resulted from Obito not performing the plan properly. |
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2012-10-22, 10:28 | Link #138 | |
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That being said, it would be super-easy to destroy the world by nicking 2 jinchuuriki and having Zetsu pull the trigger on world war... |
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2012-10-22, 10:33 | Link #139 | |
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To be perfectly honest I think this first flashback chapte was quite fitting. More seriously you can wonder about that all day why did he attack Konoha, why does he want to see an Uchiha fight a Senju, why did he play the part of Madara when he was alone or with Zetsu, his very introduction when the Zetsus wondered about Tobi the good boy, his willingness to show his face to Sasuke before it was stopped or why let Kakashi keep his eye, or any of the other dozen or so problems already pointed out previously but there is only one shared answer to all those : Obito was playing the part of Madara to his audience and his audience was us. *to be fair the author corrected 2 of those in the release of the tankoubon. |
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