2009-04-23, 16:39 | Link #101 |
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Since I am going to assume you mean you disagree with all 4 popints, I will address them individually.
1.) One Piece is aimed at 10-14 year old boys: The core demographic of Shounen Jump is young boys (Shounen is a term used to desribe a 10-16 year old boy). I really do not understand why you would have a problem with this statement. The 10-14 year old audeince makes up over 60% of the total buyers/viewers of Shounen Jump, so, of course, Oda and the other write their stories for that audeince (the trick is to write a story that a 10-14 year old child can get into, but there is enough story to also retain their viewership for however long the story may last(this si reflected more in collected works, rather than bound magazines). If you would prefer I can say instead that One Piece is a Shounen series, not a Seinen series, and consequently it characters and locations reflect such a difference. 2.) Violence can be found in Impel Down: Considering the number of prisoners killed so far, and the excessive force and cruel contraptions and Level themes used by all military personal, how can anyone claim that Impel Down is not violent? 3.) There is fear to be found in Impel Down: This is, I will admit, far more debatable. The only rejoinder I really have, is that a 10-14 year old boy may be scared of things that us older "children" are not scared of. 4.) There si chaos in Impel Down: Considering that Luffy si staging a break-out/resuce, and has been running through the various levels in search of Ace, I would say that chaos is found quite easily. But, I will admit that chaos is less active than one would think. So, I will concede the point. |
2009-04-23, 17:07 | Link #102 |
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I am actually more interested in the demographic structure of the people buying the volumes and watching the anime. Could not find one. But, since this does not talk for the magazine itself, you cannot project those results accurately on the magazine audience. For those results, you need to actually make a poll among the shounen jump readers (the ones who pay for it), and ask them to list their interests in order. Then grouping those within the age group, you can get an idea what the target audience is.
Still, I believe, the target audience of One Piece should be the high end of the teenage group, not the low. This is like putting it side by side with Naruto, and this would be a slap in the face for the loyal one piece followers (considering the age group of the people following Naruto, and the fillers in the first part, that would not be too difficult to prove). For the story to be a selling point, it doesn't have to target the youngest. They can get into the story after they develop in mind. |
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In short Impel down has been mostly bad laughs and giggles, lacking a serious mood, and heavy cruelty, Fear, chaos, and carnage etc etc, This arc is softer then mash mellows. Last edited by Master Mold; 2009-04-23 at 17:26. |
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2009-04-23, 18:01 | Link #104 | |
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But srsly: From what I heard Japanese children grow up in diffrent way. Those are very creazy people we're talking about. People that have 10 years old anime girls in size of 10m above their railway. It's not important who read this, the important this is who buys it. Some people will see guy from Jasson cut someone's face off and put in on his own, and won't be afraid or intimitated. Kids get nightmares from such stuff, no mater what. Maybe showing person being boiled alive and hear about it makes a diffrence for you, but I'd say it's as good as it can get. Oda wants to scare, not scare off. You might just don't have enough imagination because of watching too many movies. If everything has to be shown to you, sooner or later you won't be shocked unless you see it happen. There are people frozen, starved, spiked, eaten and boiled to death - I'd say that scary if you put yourself into their shoes. As far as Iva being in ID after hearing that he's revolutionist, some might think that he got there on purpose. So he could build inside it a safe bay and build army (+have fun). Bonta Kun I never read Air Gear. Is it good? What place are you talking about? If it's about some kids with rollershoes then I'm out. This kind of people are... well, I just don't but to this or skaters.
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So? Where in all of this is the lack of extreme violence (especially for a younger audience)? Or, do you think the constant suffering we have seen is simply a joke because the warden and military officiers are drawn funny? Quote:
To put it another way, if you were in the One Piece universe, and you were not the protagonist or one of the 'elite', would you want to go to Impel Down? Personally, I have doubts that I would survive a prison in the real world, let alone even Level 1 of Impel Down. edit: Wolick had a good line, Oda wants to scare his audience, not scare them away from the series. I will give you the same response I gave earlier: Did you really expect Impel Down to be Butcher Bay, Oswald State Maximum Correctional Facility, the prison were Griffith was being held, or some other extreme fictional prison? Because if you did, I can't help but think that you over-hyped Impel Down. Last edited by james0246; 2009-04-23 at 18:23. |
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2009-04-23, 18:21 | Link #106 | |
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The same reason why he let old mermaid women talk about how now one shold try to get robin back to hype it up. Also to show when luffy does do it it some that is was something great . your talking about luffy as by him self . But i am talking about what luffy aready has, a powerfully team that can help . Luffy by his self might not able to do much but look what the action of luffy has cause so far, who knows what else might happen because of what he does. |
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2009-04-23, 18:29 | Link #107 |
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james0246 thanks XD I might not be able to use big words all the time, but I'm still trying to make my point clear.
Did you know you wrote "Glass glass"? The TV has tendency to don't let children hear the 'F' world that stands for Fuck, Fucking or Fucked XD There is a limit to what children should and should not see. There is a point in person life when he forgets what was it to be a child, and is yet to experiance having a child - in this moment you don't get why they don't show gore or sex on Sazame Street. Woman tend to skip that peroid of time since most of them have motherly insticts, but there are exceptions... yes, they are usually stupid. EDIT- Luffy would still (and might) do something in this war. He is a supernova after all, and while a Admiral might take him down - Admirals might be too busy for that. Luffy took down 5 thousand soldiers by himself in Enies Lobby and he is able to destroy the biggest battleship. They took Moria with them, but they also gather all manpower they have. All cannon fodder nobodies are welcome at the party, probably even those that will faith from the share amount of haki that anybody strong can produce.
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2009-04-23, 18:47 | Link #108 |
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luffy is a supernova yes but,dont forget he is no match for an admiral right now,when he faced Aokiji awhile back Aokiji kicked his ass with out even trying to much,but he let them go bcos of robin and the promised that he gave to her giant freind way back....
now im sure if rayligh woudnt have stoped kizaru at the shanbody park arc kizaru would have kicked luffy ass also probably,dont forget maggelan just kicked luffy and he is not much to an admiral.... so sure luffy is very strong but dont forget what rayligh also told him when they met,there are much stronger ppl in the world beside him and the supernovas,they r still just rookies... |
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Like I said before, this arc is softer then roasted marshmallows. atp |
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2009-04-23, 19:08 | Link #113 |
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For some reason, I think this talk so far is pretty pointless. Everyone has their opinion and they can state it.
I agree with James that OP is aimed for young people, but older people also read this and its not Oda's fault that your not getting what you expect because he is writing his story for what it is aimed for. What I think, since I'm in this age group, I think this arc is going nicely and its not very scary but it's still kind of scary if you actually put yourself in the story doing what Luffy's doing. Master Mold , dude your expecting too much. Each story is different and not all has to be the same. We should go back on Topic, shall we please? |
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On topic, I hope next chapter gets the introductions with the top prisoners over with, and I guess Shiryuu and the other top prisoners will make an appearance next chapter, and Shiryuu being on level six and Megallean moving on up, leaves me to think he will be beaten before Megallean. |
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I persoanlly don't find Impel Down a dissapointment. In some ways it's better than I expected, the only issue I have with it is Luffy-related. |
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That being said, regular violence is when Nami's mother was ruthlessly killed, or when Luffy was stabbed by Crocodile. Excessive violence is when complicated torture devices reddened by the blood of its victims is introduced as a simple Level 1 contraption. Quote:
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Oda has been the most consistent of these big 3 Manga writers, where, Kishi keeps it real with the death (Not a single human, unless is a flashback, has died in Bleach or OP) but Kishi main problems is the consistency in his writings and failure to deliver in some parts. Oda keeps in checks every arc thanks to a good balance of light humor and action, One Piece has its share of graphic violence but it is the lightest of the 3. While Bleach...ermm, Bleach is a series that seems to be in traveling without moving, I don't know how its going right now, but ever since SS arc, Kubo has used the same exact formula to HM arc, making the majority of fights pointless and in some cases anti-climatic (I still don't get how nobody has died using swords as main weapons)..yo do got to give him credit for his females designs. The only thing I don't get here, is what is it that you are looking for in doing this debate? I mean, you come into an OP forum bashing Oda's work, and do you expect for people to agree with you or change their point of view about what they like? seems to me you are just trolling around here.... You defended yourself from Figs about the YF comparison, but you are not helping yourself at all. ............... Back on the chapter, I guess a secret from Ivankov must be related to Coco's rookie years, I still insist it could be something funny...
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With that being said, what can he possibly do in the face of marine admirals, vice admirals, and 5 warlords, all of whom are far more powerful than a mere pacifista whom he could not defeat by himself? These are overwhelming odds of adversity that he would be getting himself into, should he interfere. To put it simply, Luffy is far too weak at the moment since he would get destroyed by any one of the aforementioned opponents. They are all way out of his league.
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