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2009-07-16, 11:12 | Link #283 |
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Well, if other operating systems have browsers preinstalled like Mac OS X with Safari and Ubuntu with Firefox (or Konqueror with KDE) for example... should the EU tell them to remove them? The main difference is that they are not tightly integrated with the operating system unlike Internet Explorer... Even if Internet Explorer isn't as integrated as it used to... it still holds a majority of the market share which is why the EU wants Microsoft to something about it... but removing it will just give the same results like removing Windows Media Player... instead... they should provide links on the desktop to other web browsers instead of removing IE completely... With IE removed completely... it's really difficult to a average user to download a web browser since there is no web browser to download the install file...
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2009-07-16, 11:49 | Link #285 | |
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Open source IE8 and offer it on multiple platforms and all the competing OSs would offer it -- they all have the "we pre-installed one for you but its not part of the intrinsic OS and its easy to switch it out because here's a list of all the browsers we've heard of". MS sometimes seems psychotically compelled to introduce "lock-in" even when it actively works against their best interests. The purely 'marketing' mandate to integrate the browser into the OS introduced a horde of security and reliability issues that just didn't freaking need to happen. Browsers are, by nature, nasty little promiscuous things that visits all sorts of infested locales... so here lets put it in Ring Zero.... d'oh.
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2009-07-16, 12:07 | Link #286 |
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The problem would be... Microsoft is reluctant to place competitor's browsers on their operating system because that would hurt their market share in Ballmer's eyes....
Internet Explorer 8 may not be as integrated as Internet Explorer 6... but it's still a lock-in... and you know well that Microsoft will never open source Internet Explorer 8 until pigs fly... since Microsoft is against open source software and all..
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2009-07-16, 13:10 | Link #287 |
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Might be irrevalnt but I came across this while I was browsing the Web
Browser comparison chart of Firefox and Chrome VS IE8 In microsoft land
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2009-07-16, 13:16 | Link #288 | ||
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With the E editions, they're the only ones offered in the EU nations (maybe there're also N editions with no IE and no WMP). Quote:
The rest have more than enough time to acquire a browser installer before or after they install Windows 7, either through another computer or FTP or having it ready in external storage media. Then there's the installation discs Microsoft (and I read somewhere Mozilla and probably other companies as well) will be offering, though there's probably a media fee involved with that. |
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2009-07-16, 15:30 | Link #289 |
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To download the last Firefox with Windows 7 E
Open a command line and type : Code:
ftp ftp.mozilla.org anonymous cd pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/latest/win32/fr/ dir binary get "Firefox Setup 3.5.exe" |
2009-07-16, 16:16 | Link #290 | |
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Okay - I concede, I might be exaggerating but, well, we know what kind of people lurks on the Interwebs...*sigh* EDIT: not to mention that if they want something other than FFox, like Opera, Flock, Safari or Chrome (who should be getting its browser-centered OS somewhere in the far future), they might not necessarily know the ftp address (if any) - and in the end, they'll probably end up using another PC to dl the browser and ferry it over with a USB stick. No hassle, but a modicum of imagination (and a spare PC) is still required.
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2009-07-16, 18:06 | Link #292 | |
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Removing Internet Explorer from the Windows 7 E editions is probably the dumbest idea ever and it's a inconvenience if a person only owns one computer... What they should have done is just have the browser install files preinstalled or have a graphical program which will download the latest web browser which most average users can understand instead of entering 5 lines of command lines.
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2009-07-17, 16:28 | Link #295 | |
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Also, another pain the EU will get is that Microsoft will only sell full, boxed, retail copies of Windows 7 E without any upgrade option since IE8 is removed.... This means that people that live in the EU will have to pay double just to upgrade to Windows 7 E (which is essentially a Service Pack IMO and give little benefit over Vista). Probably the high prices in the EU will push people to import the US copies, stay with Windows XP/Vista or even switch to alternatives like Linux or Mac. Basically, Microsoft shot themselves in the foot in the EU. Source: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10287468-56.html
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2009-07-18, 05:13 | Link #296 | ||
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"As a result, for now Microsoft is not offering an "upgrade" version of Windows 7 "E" but is instead selling the full boxed version (which does not require a prior Windows installation) at the upgrade price." |
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2009-07-18, 07:17 | Link #297 | |
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Also I won't be switching since (probably) apart from my soundcard everything else won't have windows 7 drivers (which stinks since my motherboard isn't even two years old) |
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2009-07-18, 09:17 | Link #300 | |
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Unless the app has an in-built procedure that checks which OS it's dealing with (and therefore will start whining that it only knows either XP or Vista but can't figure out for the life of itself how to deal with a newer build/model -- happened with one of my Asus drivers but thankfully it was only the graphical program/launch interface that kept b****ing around, not the driver installer itself, which I then had to locate and start), the install should be successful. And, yes, compared to Vista, W7 has a much more impressive driver pool - first time I installed it on my brand new machine I didn't even need to install any new driver (save for my wi-fi antenna and the nVidia proggie, which allowed me to select a higher refresh frequency for my screen), whereas Vista: - still needed assistance for my sound card. - refused to initiate Aero Glass until I had the system take a performance benchmark and deem it okay to start AG...W7 does it right from the install.
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