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Endscape · 2013-07-06, 21:44

Excellent first episode. Animation was great and as delightfully quirky as always. Getting Hanekawa's side of things is certainly interesting, it really sucked me into the episode, since it felt much longer than it actually was, to the point that I was surprised when it ended. Senjougahara was great, she's still herself, but in a much healthier way. That part was very well handled, I think.

Marcus H. · 2013-07-06, 21:45

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Originally Posted by Tsubasa Hanekawa

But 'the rules'. I want to follow 'the rules'. Because they are 'rules'.

Everything had changed.

Koyomi's not doing his narrative, Tsubasa's homeless after a sudden fire, and Hitagi is slowly showing her sincerest emotions.

I find that the interactions between Tsubasa and Hitagi, while interesting, feels a bit sudden, since Nise and Neko Black were a long time ago. But considering Hitagi's question, it's just what Tempest35 had said. She's just making sure that she sees what Tsubasa is up to, and the only way to do that is by being friendly to her.

Hitagi without her emotions is scary, but Hitagi with her full arsenal of emotions is an entirely different monster to tackle.
However, it's not like Tsubasa cannot defend herself. Those split-second thoughts of hers can pack a punch, but not as direct as Hitagi's.

And does Tsubasa wear a completely wireless bra? It can barely contain Tsubasa's big fat cat tats.

DorkingtonPugsly · 2013-07-06, 21:54

After getting a full episode of short haired Hanekawa, I think it's lovely now. (Though she looks better than she did in Nise)

Clarste · 2013-07-06, 22:08

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Originally Posted by Sol Falling

I guess I can't speak for the contents of the chapters unless/until I decide to actually read them but I definitely got a laugh out of Hanekawa's "Oh my, did I just skip a chapter there?". There was also one which flashed by after just a single line from Senjougahara.

Back in season 1, I remember SHAFT used the red or black screen flashes to indicate when they were actually skipping over novel source material. In the same way, the numbered flashes denoted (I presume) skipped chapter boundaries here. This conscientious/faithful treatment of the source material, which directly acknowledges parts where the adaptation was skimped on, is something I really appreciate about SHAFT's style 'cause it lets me at least imagine what I'm missing, and show's a respect for/intertextuality with the original work.

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Tyabann · 2013-07-06, 22:16

Yeah, the "missing chapter" thing isn't just a joke, but a lot of things in this series are like that.

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Originally Posted by komaruze

You think so? Visually, I didn't notice that much changes. We had kanji-text-flashcuts; eye closeups; shaft headtilts; minimalistic backgrounds; black, white, red and purple cuts, still shots etc.

Those are placed far less purposefully than they were in Bake; it almost feels as though whoever is directing this is using them only because they feel obligated to.

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Can someone explain to me why Hitagi was distraught enough to be in tears over Hanekawa this episode?

Because she spent the whole night running around in a panic. She even said that was why, in fact.
It also has to do with this being the first we've seen of Senjougahara since she confronted Kaiki and came to terms with her past, which had a pretty extraordinary effect on her personality.

Sol Falling · 2013-07-06, 22:55

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omimon · 2013-07-06, 23:02

I want to mention that the tiger was voiced by Saiga Mitsuki. I don't think he has done anything major.

Tyabann · 2013-07-06, 23:32

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I want to mention that the tiger was voiced by Saiga Mitsuki. I don't think he has done anything major.

Um.

Mitsuki Saiga has done a good number of major roles (including the protagonist of Shinbo's own Soul Taker) and is also, for that matter, a woman.

Vallen Chaos Valiant · 2013-07-06, 23:37

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And does Tsubasa wear a completely wireless bra? It can barely contain Tsubasa's big fat cat tats.

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Marcus H. · 2013-07-07, 00:17

That said, that choice of underwear was deadly. You can't contain em with just cheap ones.
Honestly, I'm still stunned with that Hanekawa stripping scene. Such a heavenly body.

Malkuth · 2013-07-07, 00:21

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Reckoner · 2013-07-07, 00:26

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Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Because she spent the whole night running around in a panic. She even said that was why, in fact.
It also has to do with this being the first we've seen of Senjougahara since she confronted Kaiki and came to terms with her past, which had a pretty extraordinary effect on her personality.

It's just kind of hard for me to buy that she'd go to such lengths unless Araragi has really been rubbing off on her, which is possible, but I'd wish they would have eased that in better if that were the case.

**monir** · 2013-07-07, 00:30

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It's just kind of hard for me to buy that she'd go to such lengths unless Araragi has really been rubbing off on her, which is possible, but I'd wish they would have eased that in better if that were the case.

That's not the only curious thing that has happened...... for whatever reason I was under the impression that Mayoi can only be seen by Arrrrararragi-san.

Tyabann · 2013-07-07, 00:41

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That's not the only curious thing that has happened...... for whatever reason I was under the impression that Mayoi can only be seen by Arrrrararragi-san.

Mayoi could originally be seen by anyone who, for whatever reason, does not wish to go home. I don't know whether that still applies to her current existence, but Hanekawa doesn't have anything she can call a home to begin with, so...

Clarste · 2013-07-07, 00:42

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That's not the only curious thing that has happened...... for whatever reason I was under the impression that Mayoi can only be seen by Arrrrararragi-san.

Hanekawa saw Mayoi back in the first arc it was relevant (Mayoi Snail). This was a bit of misdirection by the writer because it turned out that Mayoi could only be seen by people who don't want to go home. Also foreshadowing of course.

It's unclear how exactly Mayoi works now that she's leveled up and is no longer a lost snail ghost though.

Xellos-_^ · 2013-07-07, 00:45

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Originally Posted by Reckoner

It's just kind of hard for me to buy that she'd go to such lengths unless Araragi has really been rubbing off on her, which is possible, but I'd wish they would have eased that in better if that were the case.

i think it is stragatic decision. knowing Ararararagi he would probably offer a homeless hanekawa a place to sleep in his house. Most likely she would ed up in his room.

Offering Hanekawa a place heads that off at the pass.

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That's not the only curious thing that has happened...... for whatever reason I was under the impression that Mayoi can only be seen by Arrrrararragi-san.

Hanekawa could see Mayoi in s1, i think oshino explain it that only people who didn't want to go home can see Mayoi.

**monir** · 2013-07-07, 01:17

Now I have to ask why Araragi can still see Mayoi. If the answer requires spoiler which will be revealed in the future, you can ignore the question.

Xellos-_^ · 2013-07-07, 01:19

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Now I have to ask why Araragi can still see Mayoi. If the answer requires spoiler which will be revealed in the future, you can ignore the question.

no idea other then Arararagi is secretly a lolicon a former vampire.

Clarste · 2013-07-07, 01:29

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Now I have to ask why Araragi can still see Mayoi. If the answer requires spoiler which will be revealed in the future, you can ignore the question.

If there is a reason, I don't know.

Tyabann · 2013-07-07, 01:34

In that case, I think Mayoi can now appear in front of anyone, but chooses to hide around people she doesn't know. Maybe she's just shy?

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2013-07-06, 21:44	Link #41
Endscape The Mage of Four Hearts Author Join Date: Mar 2010 Age: 33	Excellent first episode. Animation was great and as delightfully quirky as always. Getting Hanekawa's side of things is certainly interesting, it really sucked me into the episode, since it felt much longer than it actually was, to the point that I was surprised when it ended. Senjougahara was great, she's still herself, but in a much healthier way. That part was very well handled, I think. __________________ Illusion, illusion, this is illusion. It cannot harm me.

2013-07-06, 21:54	Link #43
DorkingtonPugsly Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: My cozy room	After getting a full episode of short haired Hanekawa, I think it's lovely now. (Though she looks better than she did in Nise) __________________

2013-07-07, 00:17	Link #50
Marcus H. Princess or Plunderer? Join Date: May 2009 Location: the Philippines	That said, that choice of underwear was deadly. You can't contain em with just cheap ones. Honestly, I'm still stunned with that Hanekawa stripping scene. Such a heavenly body. __________________ Continuing: White Sand Aquatope (6/24) and Vanitas S2 (0/12), The Vampire Dies in No Time S2 and Bofuri S2 (3/12). 2021: Restaurant to Another World S2 (3/12), takt Op. Destiny (1/12) and Taisho Maiden Fairy Tale (1/12). 2022: Yuusha Yamemasu (1/12), Kaguya-sama S3, Mob Psycho 100 III (Oct06), Bleach: 1000 Year Blood War (2/13) and Chainsaw Man (6/12). Spring 2023: Yamada-kun to Lv999 no Koi wo Suru, Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear Punch! (4/12), Skip to Loafer, Tonikaku Kawaii S2 (1/12), Otonari ni Ginga (5/12) and Kimi wa Houkago Insomnia (3/13). Contact me on Wikia and MyAnimeList. Anime List Status ~ Watching: 33. Completed: 468. Plan to watch: 39.

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omimon Professional Hikkikomori Join Date: Feb 2009	I want to mention that the tiger was voiced by Saiga Mitsuki. I don't think he has done anything major.

2013-07-07, 01:34	Link #60
Tyabann Homo Ludens Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Canada Age: 34	In that case, I think Mayoi can now appear in front of anyone, but chooses to hide around people she doesn't know. Maybe she's just shy?