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DeotoxSlayer · 2008-01-27, 23:29

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Originally Posted by Sterling01

The thing is Yuji wanted to merge with SotF so there really is no saving him

well that's not completly true even if Yuji doesn't want it they can force them apart.

Also forcing Sairei no Hebi into this world is a no go if the dod that then they just end up making him more powerful,and this time there's no guarentee that they can seal him again. I mean it took the lives of every single Flame Haze on earth to seal him last time.

Sterling01 · 2008-01-27, 23:33

What I ment was if they forced SotF and Yuji apart it woudn't be considered "saving him"

karinvampire · 2008-01-28, 10:24

ok so let me get this right yuji wanted to be evil and is trying to force Shana to join him.

minhtam1638 · 2008-01-28, 10:29

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Originally Posted by karinvampire

ok so let me get this right yuji wanted to be evil and is trying to force Shana to join him.

No. What Yuji wants is unknown to us at this point. The only clue we have is that "He wants to reveal the Truth of the World". It is unclear that it is whether evil or good. Whatever the case, all of the Flame Haze, including Shana, will assume that whatever Yuji's plan is is of evil intentions and therefore must be stopped. Last time, Sairei no Hebi was too powerful that many Flame Haze died in the incident, and the only way to stop him is Tenpa Jyousai, which is currently in Shana's hands at this point.

I'm hoping that whatever Yuji is planning, he tells Shana about it first (in a way that Tenpa Jyousai can't possibly be used) once she wakes up. Then it will be interesting to see how it plays out.

DeotoxSlayer · 2008-01-28, 10:32

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Originally Posted by karinvampire

ok so let me get this right yuji wanted to be evil and is trying to force Shana to join him.

No he agrees with Sairei no Hebi's plan.

Sairei no Hebi wants to "Change The Truth of the World" which means he wants to change the world so that Tomogora, and humans can live in peace without having to consume each other, but his plan is dangerous because if he makes a mistake the world goes bye-bye. So the other Guze no Ou disagree with him, and they sealed him away, so he couldn't fulfill his plans. Yuji wants Sairei no Hebi to go ahead with his plans, and "Change The Truth of the World" because if he does Flame Haze will be ineffective (since Tomogora can't consume humans anymore) so Shana's contract would be broken, and she'd be a normal girl. Yuji said that he didn't want Shana to have to fight anymore, and that he wanted to live peacefully with Shana, so he agreed to syncronize with Sairei no Hebi.

Wow that explanation is long, and i've never even read past the 2nd Novel

tebahpla · 2008-01-28, 10:44

this is kinda getting clearer now thanks to you guys.

but are these answers based on your own opinion on what you have read, or are they straight out from the novels itself?

DeotoxSlayer · 2008-01-28, 10:46

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Originally Posted by tebahpla

this is kinda getting clearer now thanks to you guys.

but are these answers based on your own opinion on what you have read, or are they straight out from the novels itself?

well the long explanation I gave is all based on Novel information that I got earlier on this thread, from Cnnydz, and other Novel readers.

cnnydz · 2008-01-28, 11:44

i don't know if u guys knew this already or not but (u don't need to read this as this will be explained in the next episode)

Spoiler for 1:

as for shana

Spoiler for 16:

karinvampire · 2008-01-28, 12:04

oh ok thanks because here in Amarica they don't have the novels to that point yet and I can't understand the books in japan and they take like 6 months for the books here to come out so thanks.

So it seems Yuuji is doing this for Shana's Sake and he might not have bad intentions.

SoldierOfDarkness · 2008-01-28, 13:14

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Originally Posted by cnnydz

i don't know if u guys knew this already or not but (u don't need to read this as this will be explained in the next episode)

Spoiler for 1:

Bah who cares about that bi***?

Pheles may be doing us a favor.

karinvampire · 2008-01-28, 13:53

I wonder why she would give her that knowing what it could do.

DeotoxSlayer · 2008-01-28, 14:14

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Originally Posted by karinvampire

I wonder why she would give her that knowing what it could do.

it's for emergencies, Pheles knows that Yoshida would only use it in a situation that puts Yuji's life in extreme peril, and since Johan would disappear if Yuji dies Pheles needs to protect Yuji. So basically it's a way to protect Johan cause she knows Yoshida would use it if Yuji's life is in danger.

karinvampire · 2008-01-28, 14:19

Oh ok so she knows that Kazumi would do it for Yuji because she loves him oh ok damn the novels come out so slow here(USA).

DeotoxSlayer · 2008-01-28, 14:25

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Originally Posted by karinvampire

Oh ok so she knows that Kazumi would do it for Yuji because she loves him oh ok damn the novels come out so slow here(USA).

I no it's annoying (I live in Canada) and I still haven't read past the second novel. The only reason I know so much is because i read a lot of it in this thread, and I saw some summaries a while back.

It kinda fells like she's using Yoshida, so she can protect Johan.

karinvampire · 2008-01-28, 15:05

hey are the novels censored in america cuz i ordered them last week and just want to know.

Sterling01 · 2008-01-28, 15:07

The first one takes out a image. The second one isn't at all

SoldierOfDarkness · 2008-01-28, 15:44

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Originally Posted by DeotoxSlayer

I no it's annoying (I live in Canada) and I still haven't read past the second novel. The only reason I know so much is because i read a lot of it in this thread, and I saw some summaries a while back.

It kinda fells like she's using Yoshida, so she can protect Johan.

Love can make people do strange things. In the end though we all know who Shana should end up with.

Besides it's a last resort.

teachopvutru · 2008-01-28, 16:08

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Originally Posted by Sterling01

The first one takes out a image. The second one isn't at all

The first one also crops out a part of one color image I think. The picture with Shana in Yuji's bed, it cuts out Shana's lower body.

serenade_beta · 2008-01-28, 18:13

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Originally Posted by SoldierOfDarkness

Bah who cares about that bi***?

I care, as well as a few others.

SoldierOfDarkness · 2008-01-28, 18:15

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Originally Posted by serenade_beta

I care, as well as a few others.

You and those others don't count.

No it's just that to me I find her kinda hanging onto Yuji hopelessly. She's fine as a character but other than that.

Regardless she'll play a role in the final battle obviously.

2008-01-27, 23:33	Link #1022
Sterling01 霊夢→デレ Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: NYC, NY Age: 46	What I ment was if they forced SotF and Yuji apart it woudn't be considered "saving him" __________________

2008-01-28, 11:44	Link #1028
cnnydz Feed me Join Date: Dec 2007	i don't know if u guys knew this already or not but (u don't need to read this as this will be explained in the next episode) Spoiler for 1: the hougu pheles gave yoshida has a side effect Spoiler for 2: it can be used to summon pheles but yoshida will Spoiler for 3: die if she uses it as for shana Spoiler for 16: the original plan was to kill shana and thus effectively disable alastor, but after SnH synchronized with yuji he changed the plan a bit so now shana's life is spared, which made several members of the bal masque very uncomfortable.

2008-01-28, 15:07	Link #1036
Sterling01 霊夢→デレ Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: NYC, NY Age: 46	The first one takes out a image. The second one isn't at all __________________

2008-01-28, 10:24	Link #1023
karinvampire Ka Ra Ku Ri Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Boogie down Bronx	ok so let me get this right yuji wanted to be evil and is trying to force Shana to join him.

2008-01-28, 10:44	Link #1026
tebahpla Not B& Join Date: Nov 2007	this is kinda getting clearer now thanks to you guys. but are these answers based on your own opinion on what you have read, or are they straight out from the novels itself?

2008-01-28, 12:04	Link #1029
karinvampire Ka Ra Ku Ri Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Boogie down Bronx	oh ok thanks because here in Amarica they don't have the novels to that point yet and I can't understand the books in japan and they take like 6 months for the books here to come out so thanks. So it seems Yuuji is doing this for Shana's Sake and he might not have bad intentions.

2008-01-28, 13:53	Link #1031
karinvampire Ka Ra Ku Ri Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Boogie down Bronx	I wonder why she would give her that knowing what it could do.

2008-01-28, 14:19	Link #1033
karinvampire Ka Ra Ku Ri Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Boogie down Bronx	Oh ok so she knows that Kazumi would do it for Yuji because she loves him oh ok damn the novels come out so slow here(USA).

2008-01-28, 15:05	Link #1035
karinvampire Ka Ra Ku Ri Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Boogie down Bronx	hey are the novels censored in america cuz i ordered them last week and just want to know.