2009-01-05, 22:38 | Link #41 |
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I agree that this is a very complex situation, but bombing civilians is not the way to solve it. Neither Israel nor Hamas are saints, and neither are fully responsible for this situation. Neither is the US completely unrelated to the whole thing--their stake on the conflict has had a very deep influence throughout the whole past century. Palestina should have been granted their place. Israel should have never started the Six Days War. Hamas should have never been born. There are tons of ways to explain what happened to reach this situation, and there are tons of ways to see that it's not a very easy one. But as soon as everyone starts pointing fingers and trying to seek "guilty" people, the rest of us will start digging in the mud and find shit on both sides. Meanwhile, civilians die. And no one seems to give a crap about that unless it's for saying "You had it coming".
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Who owned the land isn't an issue, it's too late? Well, that's true, and therein lies the fundamental problem. Assimilate into Israeli society? I think you're confusing Israel with United States. Although Israel is a modern nation, unfortunately Israeli laws are very tied to the zionist movement. What I mean by this is, jewish population are protected with special rights under the nation's law. For example, land that's "redeemed" to become jewish owned cannot be moved to a non-jewish, nor can it be rented. A non-jew, especially a palestanian, assimilating into Israeli society is neigh-impossible. If Israel was like USA, and USA finished invading a neighboring land and its people... over the time, it can assimilate them into their society. We've seen this happen through American history. However, due to its nature of origin (and not to mention its young age as a nation), Israeli laws are strongly tied with its religious belief, and what's worse... that religion is a very uni-racial belief. Palestanians are not the only ones that needs to be making social changes before any type of unification can even be attempted. Both sides have a LOT of work cut out.
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2009-01-06, 03:17 | Link #45 | |
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Many innocent lives will be lost but people are dying anyway during the many "ceasefire" period they had over the years.
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u prob know that or ppl at least called u that, and im not sure if im saying this right(forgive me english is a 2nd lang that i know only a few years) but u r fastidious, look I got a heart and im sad about the palastinian kids and the none extremeist but u said urself we atk using our intelligence resources and is it so hard for the moslims to fake intellegence for us so we would hit kids and I wont be suprirsed if u think im lying(sounds pretty made up) but they want to make us hit kids so they can show it to the world. today at school I told my friend who is a bit more let say educated then me in news in general and he told me then they even filled a truck with bodies so they can take photos of it to show it to the world... and did u know that they tease us with photo's and vidoes or 2 soliders they kidnaped and didnt tell us if they are alive, made an agreement with us which says we will free a lot and I mean a lot in the hundreds of palstinian who let say blow up somewhere or helped with it and when we got the bodies turns out one of them have been killed from the start and the other one torture and then killed? again sry about my english and hope I helped you understand |
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2009-01-06, 15:15 | Link #47 |
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This situation is going to get out of control. The damned Palestinians are a people that knows nothing but violence. They continually show that they can not abide by a cease fire as Hamas continually shelled Israel with thousands of rockets during a truce they signed.
The Israelis are in this for their survival. They continually try to exist peacefully with the Palestinians but are met with violence at every turn. This problem is spilling over into Europe because of Europe's stupid belief in allowing unbridled immigration and allowing multiculturalism. This should be a lesson to us in the US that these actions bring nothing but problems in the long run. |
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2009-01-06, 16:07 | Link #49 | |
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2009-01-06, 16:32 | Link #50 | |
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The Native Americans tried on numerous occasions to evict the Europeans, unfortunately for them they did not exceed. The war's over and they need to accept that the US exists. The Palestinians and the rest of the Arab World need to accept that Israel exists and leave her be. Until they do, they will constantly be at war which the Israeli's will win. |
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2009-01-06, 16:38 | Link #51 | |
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2009-01-06, 16:45 | Link #52 | |
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Neither side wants to die. Any solution that ignores that is no solution at all. Especially not genocide - morals set aside, it's just not practical. You'll only get more people homicidally pissed at you. |
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2009-01-06, 17:00 | Link #54 |
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Sorry... just getting this feeling of a type of police force that decides to eliminate the "gangster problem" by simply shooting in any likely direction on a crowded street until return fire stops....
They're simply guaranteeing that the innocent survivors will have nothing to live for other than revenge and becoming gangsters themselves.... I watched this sort of thing during the Cold War, the War on Drugs, etc ... there is a faction on each side that LIKES the status quo of violence because it allows them to increase personal power and authority. They'll never admit it but listening to particular spokespeople from both sides -- you can hear the symptoms.
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2009-01-06, 17:18 | Link #56 |
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There was no Palestine before. There are references to it in the Holy Bible but never a state.
The Palestinians are wrong and they deserve what they are getting. Israel had no choice but to lock down that area due to Hamas's disregard for the treaties and their subsequent shelling of Israel. You don't get cooperation from someone that you continually kick. |
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2009-01-06, 18:12 | Link #58 |
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personally i think the best way to handle the situtation in the ME is to Nuke Jerusalem. and threaten to nuke whoever fires another shot. And also promise to nuke Mecca and every other holy places if the rest of the arab world would quiet down.
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2009-01-06, 18:16 | Link #59 | |
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Israel has tried to let the Palestinian people live in peace and have even tried to help them. Case in point, Israel sent in a convoy of 30 or 40 trucks with supplies and Hamas fired rockets at it so the Israeli's didn't send in any more convoys. Hamas digs tunnels under the border to kidnap Israeli soldiers to hold as hostage, Israel attacks the tunnel in order to destroy it and kills 6 Palestinians in the process so Hamas launches rockets into Israel in some sort of misguided sense of revenge. The Muslims that are Israeli citizens live in peace with all the other Israeli's. |
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