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Flawfinder · 2012-04-08, 16:12

Alright, back to Fate/Zero. All I could say was "eh" though. There is just way too much talking in this episode to the point that it feels like padding, and very little meaningful action taking place. The death scene was kind of cool, but Caster still gets to stay for another episode, dragging the conflict out more.

Xellos-_^ · 2012-04-08, 16:19

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Originally Posted by Haak

I'm pretty sure Tokiomi was able to deduce that Kariya's sorry state was due to the Matou magic, and he didn't seem too surprised by it so I think he knows what Sakura is going to have to go through if he thinks she hasn't already.

Matou magic isn't so much responsible for Kariya's sorry state as his use of a shortcut.

joshuafaramir · 2012-04-08, 16:21

^Dude, the novel has a lot more talking than this. Actually, it's the talking that makes the novel/book/anime, not the action. Their dialogue and the clash of ideals.

Ragna92 · 2012-04-08, 17:05

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Originally Posted by Flawnalyst

Alright, back to Fate/Zero. All I could say was "eh" though. There is just way too much talking in this episode to the point that it feels like padding, and very little meaningful action taking place. The death scene was kind of cool, but Caster still gets to stay for another episode, dragging the conflict out more.

I don't know how anyone with 2 eyes can say "eh" after watching this episode.

Flawfinder · 2012-04-08, 17:18

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I don't know how anyone with 2 eyes can say "eh" after watching this episode.

Because I'm not a fan of too much talking, especially when it's done over beautiful animation.

AnimeFan188 · 2012-04-08, 18:50

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Berserker vs. Gilgamesh in a Stealth Fighter-style dog fight*, Tohsaka vs. Kariya, Caster laughing maniacally after his Immortal Monster swallowed a fighter jet whole.

Earlier, the fighter pilots talked about how they'd be cannon-fodder in a monster flick.

How prophetic.

Interesting how Berserker was able to take over the other fighter jet like that. For
someone who's supposed to be a mindless engine of destruction, he has some
surprisingly sophisticated skills.

jeroz · 2012-04-08, 18:52

it just reminds me a lot of prototype, especially with the red/black colour scheme.

Morisato · 2012-04-08, 18:52

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https://youtu.be/3bWCkNUbxrA

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Damn that was an awesome fight.

DragoZERO · 2012-04-08, 18:53

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Originally Posted by AnimeFan188

Interesting how Berserker was able to take over the other fighter jet like that. For someone who's supposed to be a mindless engine of destruction, he has some surprisingly sophisticated skills.

It's because of his Noble Phantasm, he is able to use any weapon he touches, and a fight jet is a weapon so he is able to use it as if it were an extension of himself.

Xellos-_^ · 2012-04-08, 18:59

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Originally Posted by DragoZERO

It's because of his Noble Phantasm, he is able to use any weapon he touches, and a fight jet is a weapon so he is able to use it as if it were an extension of himself.

anything he touches can become not just a weapon but a NP weapon.

DragoZERO · 2012-04-08, 19:01

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Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

anything he touches can become not just a weapon but a NP weapon.

Then perhaps it's his Ability to create Noble Phantasms? Without any official extra material, it's hard to go by with what we know. Hopefully, we will learn more later on.

AnimeFan188 · 2012-04-08, 19:02

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Originally Posted by DragoZERO

It's because of his Noble Phantasm, he is able to use any weapon he touches, and a fight jet is a weapon so he is able to use it as if it were an extension of himself.

So, he has the same power as Saito (Zero no Tsukaima)?

Come to think of it, Saito stole a Japanese fighter jet too (in the final episode).

Which just goes to show that Japan is wasting its money on Jets. They should be
investing in mages instead!

Student no.0 · 2012-04-08, 19:07

I do wonder if his Ability can go as far as to take control of Caster's monster if can manage to get close enough, but I imagine he'd have to go all the way in the core though. Then again it'll be probably be unlikely to happen since everyone's got enough problems as it is and Berserk's got his attention on Gilgamesh for the moment.

GDB · 2012-04-08, 19:24

I don't know if his NP procurement would work on something living like Caster's monster. He probably has to be able to wield it as a weapon in some capacity, even if it wasn't one in the first place. I'd say Caster's monster is more of a pawn or tool than something that could be used as a weapon.

DragoZERO · 2012-04-08, 19:40

I'm with GDB. He can't use it on Caster's monster. It's a living organism that feeds on prana. It doesn't qualify as a weapon.

RDF2050 · 2012-04-08, 19:58

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YouTube

https://youtu.be/3bWCkNUbxrA

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Damn that was an awesome fight.

This was the best part of the episode for me.

I had not been impress with an Anime for a long time and F/Z seems to get better and better in each episode.

Archon_Wing · 2012-04-08, 21:00

What the fuck did I just watch? I don't know or care at points, but Gilgamesh doing that random flying craft shit was the most awesome thing I've ever seen in a long time. Even more epic than Yor, the hunter from the future, dropkicking a random mook flying down with a dead bat.

And we have the first causality of this war-- and it couldn't come any sooner due, since Ryuunoske is a psycho of the highest degree. If only he had realized that he could have blood by offing himself, he would have done us a favor. But hey, I guess killing sucks when you're on the wrong end. But the interaction between the two is hilarious and Caster remains a large ham til the very end.

We also have Kariya and his silent struggle to try and do something for Sakura... it looks bad for him.

Way better OP than before, I hope this is a sign of things to come. 10/10 for the lols.

Edit: Whoops, 2nd, but I'm not counting Assassin's demises!

germanturkey · 2012-04-08, 21:34

get some macross action this ep! i love how they only do 3d art for berserker. makes it really really pop up as "something that doesn't belong." also, its really funny how Gilgamesh has a flying floating platform... unless i missed something, i'm pretty sure they didn't have those in Sumerian times...

i think next ep will be crazy in the sense they'll test the bond between Saber and Lancer. its pretty easy to figure out what they want to happen, its just a matter of if they'll actually go that far.

Randomzx · 2012-04-08, 23:54

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Originally Posted by Haak

I'm pretty sure Tokiomi was able to deduce that Kariya's sorry state was due to the Matou magic, and he didn't seem too surprised by it so I think he knows what Sakura is going to have to go through if he thinks she hasn't already.

Kariya had to go through a rushed and risky procedure to be powerful enough and ready for the grail war. The crest worms were used to supplement his magic circuits, because he doesn't have much magic potential and left the family before he got far in his training (however they pretty much feed on the body to work). Hence his appearance.

Zouken pretty much told him in the beginning that he didn't expect much out of Kariya despite this process because he was actually planing to wait another 60 years to truly start his secret plans, which involves extensive alteration of Sakura's body to both make her more of a Matou mage and so that her offspring would have the necessary parameters for his plan.
Obviously Zouken would try to keep these plans a secret from Tokiomi.

Yuutsu · 2012-04-09, 02:22

Berserker is able to utilize the F-15 fighter jet so skillfully because

Spoiler for Berserker's abilities.:

What I've hidden under a spoiler does not in any way spoil any events to come for Fate/Zero. In fact, what I've mentioned has already been covered by the anime. However, due to the limitations of the visual medium, some information is lost in the transition. Not to mention what I've discussed will not even be explicitly mentioned in the anime.

What I've explained, if one is particularly sensitive to spoilers, is akin to revealing exactly why Saber's sword is invisible, for example.

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Flawfinder Loves the Experience Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Earth...hopefully	Alright, back to Fate/Zero. All I could say was "eh" though. There is just way too much talking in this episode to the point that it feels like padding, and very little meaningful action taking place. The death scene was kind of cool, but Caster still gets to stay for another episode, dragging the conflict out more. __________________ My Awesome Anime Blog: Standing On My Neck

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Student no.0 Part-time Warrior Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: First star to the left, you should go there sometime.	I do wonder if his Ability can go as far as to take control of Caster's monster if can manage to get close enough, but I imagine he'd have to go all the way in the core though. Then again it'll be probably be unlikely to happen since everyone's got enough problems as it is and Berserk's got his attention on Gilgamesh for the moment.

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GDB Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Age: 38	I don't know if his NP procurement would work on something living like Caster's monster. He probably has to be able to wield it as a weapon in some capacity, even if it wasn't one in the first place. I'd say Caster's monster is more of a pawn or tool than something that could be used as a weapon.

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Yuutsu Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: 雲の向こう	Berserker is able to utilize the F-15 fighter jet so skillfully because Spoiler for Berserker's abilities.: of two reasons. The first reason is that his Noble Phantasm, Knight of Honor (Rank A++), allows him to turn anything he recognizes conceptually as a weapon into a D-rank NP AS WELL AS wield it as if it were his favourite weapon. The second, and arguably more important, reason as to why he is so skillful despite his Madness is because of his unique skill, Eternal Arms Mastership (Rank A+). This skill allows him to operate with absolutely no loss in skill regardless of any mental interference. Needless to say, this is the reason why Berserker fights so skillfully despite having supposedly lost his sanity. THIS is the reason why Berserker is so dangerous. What I've hidden under a spoiler does not in any way spoil any events to come for Fate/Zero. In fact, what I've mentioned has already been covered by the anime. However, due to the limitations of the visual medium, some information is lost in the transition. Not to mention what I've discussed will not even be explicitly mentioned in the anime. What I've explained, if one is particularly sensitive to spoilers, is akin to revealing exactly why Saber's sword is invisible, for example.