(CR) Hunter X Hunter Anime (2011)

[TooPurePureBoy]

Pretty much echoing a lot of others in saying that the older version of the fight was better. This madhouse version was well done in and of itself, but when compared to the old version it's really not even close.

Lets just take the scene at the beginning when uvo crushes the beer can and uses it as a deadly projectile at Kurapica who simply swats it away with his chain lashing out like a bolt of electricity. That alone made the fight seem like it was really "high-level" dangerous.

I also want to note that the music of the old version was simply sublime. If you are new the the HunterxHunter story and this anime is the only one you've seen, do yourself a favor and go watch this fight from the old anime. One of the best fights in anime history. As nice as it was the Madhouse version cannot make that same claim.

[Toto y Moi]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

I think the direction is what really makes the different in the old version. It makes you see how much Kurapika is hurting inside despite appearing all cold and shit.

The thing is...in this version, Kurapika really isn't hurting inside. Rather, when he's torturing Uvogin, he's moreso unable to understand the man. The difference is in the gaze and his actions afterward. Kurapika in the 1999 series is remorseful--despite a very defiant and unrelenting Uvogin. Whereas here:


That's the face of a killer. He didn't regret a single thing.

Madhouse eclipsed the 1999 series in every way. 10/10

[Dengar]

I guess it depends on what you view as an 'accurate' representation of Kurapica. The way I see it, he's already resigned himself to his fate as an avenger long before the story even started. It also shows that although he embraced his revenge, he, somewhat paradoxically, still dislikes violence and killing. He understands this, but lives with it, and finds that he cannot understand how the minds of these spiders work, who can apparently fight and kill without feeling anything. This results in a complete lack of empathy for the guy he just killed. He didn't enjoy his little killing spree, but it did bring him closer to his goal.

[roadrunner123]

Does anybody know the download link for hunter x hunter 2011 mp4 format?

[Dengar]

I'd tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.

[Toto y Moi]

Originally Posted by Dengar

I guess it depends on what you view as an 'accurate' representation of Kurapica. The way I see it, he's already resigned himself to his fate as an avenger long before the story even started. It also shows that although he embraced his revenge, he, somewhat paradoxically, still dislikes violence and killing. He understands this, but lives with it, and finds that he cannot understand how the minds of these spiders work, who can apparently fight and kill without feeling anything. This results in a complete lack of empathy for the guy he just killed. He didn't enjoy his little killing spree, but it did bring him closer to his goal.

In the fourth episode, Kurapika mentions that his goal is to only "capture" and imprison the Phantom Troupe. If you recall, in the previous episode, Leorio explicitly had a line that said "Maybe he's already captured a couple!"

No one expected Kurapika to murder Uvogin, but that's how deep his rage is felt. He didn't kill reluctantly...he tortured and killed a man, then buried his body in the desert. There's nothing pure or innocent about it.

[Haak]

I have to agree that the old version is better probably mostly because of the soundtrack and the type of art. I got a hell of a lot more tension in the old version than in this version. In the old version, Kurapika's murderous intent was far more palpable. And I really didn't like some of BGM that was used, especially that annoying orchestral choir signing one that was used when Kurapika was torturing Uvo.

[FlareKnight]

In a sense glad I didn't really watch the old version. So I could walk away from this episode with a, "nice job Kurapika" feeling.

[orion]

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

In a sense glad I didn't really watch the old version. So I could walk away from this episode with a, "nice job Kurapika" feeling.

Yeah, me too. I can see comparing it to the old version for academics sake. But in reality, the old version is out of print and won't be back. The only version that has a shot at release now is the new version, esp with film coming up.

Originally Posted by Toto y Moi

No one expected Kurapika to murder Uvogin, but that's how deep his rage is felt. He didn't kill reluctantly...he tortured and killed a man, then buried his body in the desert. There's nothing pure or innocent about it.

A village got obliterated. I have no problems with him killing them all.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

In a sense glad I didn't really watch the old version. So I could walk away from this episode with a, "nice job Kurapika" feeling.

You still should watch the old version even if it's only to see a different take on that scene. It wouldn't be any different than reading the manga, which is different in tone and presentation too.

You don't need to compare if you don't want to, but considering this is a key scene in the Hunter x Hunter series, I think it's worth watching every version available (including the manga, of course)

[Albafica]

I really like how Kurapika looks like in the old serie (episode 56). Kurapika kill one guy for the very first time, his hands have blood now, his reaction at the end of the episode was really good in my opinion. It showed an human side. Kurapika looks so cold in this episode, wanted to kill Uvogin so much; but he's still an human.

The atmosphere,the tension in the old version was awesome in this episode, in my opinion.

[bbsbwk]

Wow what an amazing episode, I was holding my breath during the sequence Kurapika torturing Uvogin and his death. The 2011 version totally blew the 99 version away. The new version's characters are totally spot on, I couldn't stand the 99's depiction of a struggling, face-covering "i'm inn paaaiinn" conflicting and emotional Kurapika because it was just completely OFF from the manga! Not to mention overkill and corny as hell. It seems that the 1999's staff just didn't understand the characters at all and just wanted to write a PC version to keep Kurapika 'good' and not a bad influence to kiddie audience or something. They totally ruined the frightening moment you feel for Kurapika by making him so emo and sappy (99 ver made me dislike the character).

In the new version, just like the manga, Kurapika is cold, and was way more concerned in testing his abilities. He got a first taste of the confusion he felt by Uvo's "kill and feel nothing for others but care deeply for his own kin" way. He should be confused, angry but totally convicted, there is NO remorse or anguish whatsoever, and 2011 version handled that beautifully. The result is way more brutal and moral conflicting, and way more powerful and actually more human. In a story telling structure, Kurapika hasn't reach that point of 'struggling" yet, the 99 version just jump way ahead themselves and RUIN the conclusion of this battle. The new version handled it way more respectful and mature. The animation is fluid and beautiful. And look at those translucent conjurer chains!

The 2011 version kept Uvo dignified during his death, he accepted his fate at that point like the manga, while the 1999 version made him too 'angry' (the 99 versions just keep getting things wrong) . The 2011 version is just so much better, I'm so happy that finally there's an adaptation that got Togashi's story right.

[noktown]

Originally Posted by bbsbwk

Wow what an amazing episode, I was holding my breath during the sequence Kurapika torturing Uvogin and his death. The 2011 version totally blew the 99 version away. The new version's characters are totally spot on, I couldn't stand the 99's depiction of a struggling, face-covering "i'm inn paaaiinn" conflicting and emotional Kurapika because it was just completely OFF from the manga! Not to mention overkill and corny as hell. It seems that the 1999's staff just didn't understand the characters at all and just wanted to write a PC version to keep Kurapika 'good' and not a bad influence to kiddie audience or something. They totally ruined the frightening moment you feel for Kurapika by making him so emo and sappy (99 ver made me dislike the character).

In the new version, just like the manga, Kurapika is cold, and was way more concerned in testing his abilities. He got a first taste of the confusion he felt by Uvo's "kill and feel nothing for others but care deeply for his own kin" way. He should be confused, angry but totally convicted, there is NO remorse or anguish whatsoever, and 2011 version handled that beautifully. The result is way more brutal and moral conflicting, and way more powerful and actually more human. In a story telling structure, Kurapika hasn't reach that point of 'struggling" yet, the 99 version just jump way ahead themselves and RUIN the conclusion of this battle. The new version handled it way more respectful and mature. The animation is fluid and beautiful. And look at those translucent conjurer chains!

The 2011 version kept Uvo dignified during his death, he accepted his fate at that point like the manga, while the 1999 version made him too 'angry' (the 99 versions just keep getting things wrong) . The 2011 version is just so much better, I'm so happy that finally there's an adaptation that got Togashi's story right.

Agreed.

If he was going to regret what he did,he shouldn't have used that crushing heart technique in the first place rather than use it and go emo about it.


I especially liked this version for the fact that he DIDN'T go emo about Uvogin's death.He knew this was coming.These guys are professional killers and are one of the strongest bands in the WORLD,deaths are unavoidable.

[Guardian Enzo]

I don't get the vibe that 2011 Kurapika isn't tortured or conflicted by what's going on - rather, I sense a person very much wavering on the precipice between his initial good nature and his lust for violent revenge. I think the key question was when he asked Uvo what he felt when killing innocent people, and the answer was "Nothing." Because Kurapika can't kill anyone - even someone as stained by blood as Uvo - without feeling something, and it's very clear he does feel something when he kills him. Rage, hatred, but also despair over what he feels is happening to him.

[Dengar]

Originally Posted by Toto y Moi

He didn't kill reluctantly...he tortured and killed a man, then buried his body in the desert. There's nothing pure or innocent about it.

Perhaps I wasn't very clear, but I wasn't implying that. I'm just saying he doesn't actually enjoy it the same way the spiders do.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Guardian Enzo

I think the key question was when he asked Uvo what he felt when killing innocent people, and the answer was "Nothing." Because Kurapika can't kill anyone - even someone as stained by blood as Uvo - without feeling something, and it's very clear he does feel something when he kills him. Rage, hatred, but also despair over what he feels is happening to him.

I agree. What Kurapika feels in the old and new versions of this fight is basically the same. And it's not regret or remorse, but him realizing he can't kill without feeling anything even though his victim is the Ryodan (I'd call that humanity). The old version just makes this more explicit.

[SHINOBI-03]

EPISODE 47

Spoiler for Part 1:

Manga: Second half of chapter 81, 82, most of 83, 84
Nippon’s Adaptation: Episode 56, episode 45

Both adaptations used the red moon.




In Madhouse’s adaptation we see the leeches’ eggs and yes, disgusting!



In Nippon’s adaptation we see Kurapika says a prayer.



In Nippon’s adaptation Uvo flicks the crunched beer can at Kurapika




Usually I don’t point out the differences in clothing, but Kurapika’s clothes in Nippon’s adaptation is a little different.





The dead tribe



“I feel nothing.”





I liked the performance in this moment.




KAIOKEN!!!


In the manga, Uvo shouts his attack name “Rock Storm”. He didn’t do that in both adaptations.





In Nippon’s adaptation the chain made an electrical shock sound effect which was really out of place and out of nature of the attack.



Uvo’s first punch tore off Kurapika’s sleeve. In Madhouse’s it came unscathed.





Uvo’s first shock, and I really liked the sound effect used.





Liked the animation of this attack.



The final dropkick was done differently in Nippon’s adaptation.





100%





This pose did not appear in Madhouse’s adaptation..




The fight got extended a bit in Nippon’s.



Big Bang Impact was perfect in Madhouse’s and you can totally see the damage it made. In Nippon’s… it was lame!! Are you telling me a punch of full force that we saw destroy a mountain and all what it does here is knock Kurapika down few feet away?!!





Madhouse’s did not mention that Uvo was targeting Kurapika’s spine.




In the manga, we Kurapika had chained up Uvo while still flying in the air. In Madhouse’s adaptation it was after landing on the mountain. In Nippon’s it on the ground. Honestly, I think Madhouse’s change is better than the manga that made him look like he was flying all the time or defying the gravity by staying in the air. But then let’s not forget Anime Law #2 - Law of Differential Gravitation- Whenever someone or something jumps, is thrown, or otherwise is rendered airborne, gravity is reduced by a factor of 4. * Some things have been known to "Float" for a few seconds before plummeting to hit the ground, vehicle, or someone’s cranium.





Uvo used gyo only in the manga.





“Capture Phase Complete”. Note the difference in Uvo’s arms’ position.

Spoiler for Part 2:

A quick scene in Nippon’s of a worried Shalnark.



Madhouse explains the situation with Kurapika’s nen type.



In Nippon’s adaptation, Kurapika takes off one lens instead of both. And to be honest, I like the heterochromic effect.






Emperor Time


Then we see what happened before with Kurapika and Mizuken. Everything was just like the manga with the exception of comparing the condition to mahjong or poker. In Nippon’s adaptation we go back to episode 45 that didn’t follow the manga as closely. In the manga, Kurapika kept ignoring Mizuken till he mentioned the possibility of conjuring an unbreakable chain. In Nippon’s adaptation we can’t tell if she went back to him or kept going and Mizuken followed her. And apparently he knows about her ploy for revenge… it’s just the beginning…!





Nippon’s adaptation shows us how conjuration works… BUT, it contradicts what Kurapika said in chapter 123. This is how his training went:


Panel 1:
-“Once I decided on chains, I began with imagery training.” – “First, I fiddled with real chains… around the clock.” – “I felt them with my eyes closed, drew thousands of pictures…” – “I tasted them, smelled them, rattled them, and stared at them for hours.” – “My teacher told me to do nothing but play with them.”

Panel 2:
-“He took away the real chains once I started to dream about them every night.” – “Eventually, I began to hallucinate them.”

Panel 3:
-“They seemed more real as the days passed, and I could even feel and hear them.” – “And one day, I found them conjured in my hands.”

In Nippon’s adaptation on the other hand, this is what we see. BTW, I experienced sitting under a waterfull, and to tell you this, it’s not as simple as it sounds like. The water hits your head and body very hard and it is too cold! I didn’t get how sitting under a waterfall is training till I tried it in real life. Back to the scene, I’m not gonna lie, the hallucination does look freakin awesome!




How did Kurapika’s aura reach the moon?!



What kind of blood is that?! And does Kurapika’s earring have a special power of some sort?! Not to mention the contradiction of how he conjured the chains as mentioned above!




Mizuken reminds Kurapika that she wants to become a black list hunter which what she told the captain early in the series, but here he says he knew about it from the Hunter Association. Did the association gather information about the hunters and their goals? Oh wait… that was one of Netero’s questions in the interview with the final candidates in the exam.



But then he tells her about the contract in which he should’ve told her a long time ago… but in Nippon’s adaptation he tells her it’s one of the principles of nen – something not mentioned in the manga. And instead of comparing to mahjong or poker, he compares it to running away from fire or a mouse cornered by a cat. And it didn’t show the equation. The end of their conversation was in the current episode (episode 56).

-“Just like poker or mahjong.” – “The more difficult the hand, the more it’s worth.”








Back to the current episode, we get a silent scene between them, until Mizuken starts talking about dropping revenge….



Back to the current events. Here we see the healing thumb as well as the damage the arm received earlier. The bruise in Madhouse’s is HUGE compared to Nippon’s which is natural because that failure of a punch didn’t do much impact to make a great damage!





And then the torture fest begins, along with Nippon’s second problem with the episode: Kurapika gets tormented by her torturing Uvo - one of the people who murdered her tribe and swore to kill them all! But since Furuhashi made her a girl so it’s natural that she got a more delicate heart than Madhouse’s cold hearted manly man who shows no mercy or rethink his action on his target!





Uvo’s lib moment in this moment was super cool for such a minor thing to animate!



I liked the performance and overall presentation of this scene in Madhouse better.





Stake of Retribution





Uvo’s death and burial. In the manga Kurapika didn’t show any emotions and all what he concerned was the time and energy he spent on. Mahouse made the same a masterpiece by combining the Sin City style and the deadly silence. In Nippon’s adaptation… PATHETIC! Kurapika who we saw determined to kill is now falling on her knees crying over her “crime”! And her crime was so devastating that the moon is crying with her!! But again, what’s new?! This is Furuhashi who wanted to end the series by killing Kurapika to “atone for her sins” of killing the ones who killed her tribe. We got it Furuhashi: “Revenge doesn’t pay”. But what you’ve failed to realize that this is NOT your story and you’re NOT the author to decide what the characters are!! You destroyed for us Gon and Killua and now you’ve destroyed Kurapika! Congratulations!!





In Nippon’s adaptation we see a silent scene between Shalnark and Feitan (We see Owl with them). In the manga there was a dialogue here (And we see Feitan reads a book of Trevor Brown). Madhouse skipped this scene and went straight to the meeting.

-Shal: “Is Uvo back yet?”
-Feitan: “No.” – “Don’t worry. He not die so easy.”





Unlike everybody else, I didn’t find any problem with the soundtrack. Everyone says it’s terrible and unfitting, and I repeat my question: “Do you watch other battle anime?” Because for me, the music used wasn’t out of the ordinary and got used to that style in action fight scenes. Nippon’s adaptation on the other hand was a complete failure. The deviation of Kurapika's character is by far the worst failure ever and a big evidence on Furuhashi’s faulty direction style and his view to the series, that and the fight was poorly made. ((Seriously what’s the deal with that lousy punch?!!))

9.5\10. For Madhouse of course.

[Albafica]

Moments where you says it's pathetic for Nippon, it's absolutly false for me. Well you're a HxH2011' fanboy when I'm a 1999 fanboy, so I disagree with you in a lot of your reviews. And your comparaison about this episode is really bad. You said that you liked the moment where Kurapika said "you will atone though death", but you take 0 shots of this moment in the manga or the previous serie, to compare, which is far epic than this one.

Yeah it's my opinion, like your post is yours, but says "pathetic" all times in a post is a bit pathetic too....

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by SHINOBI-03

Nippon’s adaptation on the other hand was a complete failure

I disagree. You didn't like it and that's fair, but it isn't a failure at all. Adaptations are called that way for a reason. It doesn't have to be 100% faithful to the source material.

On another note, your screen caps reminded me how much I loved the art direction in the old series, specially during this arc.

[Guardian Enzo]

Am I the only one who finds it depressing that so much of this thread is devoted to fans of either version telling the other how much their version sucks?