(L) Senyoku no Sigrdrifa (Warlords of Sigrdrifa)

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Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

I disagree. I mean, it's an anime about little girls fighting monster to save the world. So what if they use old plane? If it's Odin's preferences, that's as good an explanation as any.

If the author didn't feel like explaining it he could have just made them something more traditional like magical girls. "Anime logic" will only get you so far, even if you seem to be satisfied without an explanation.

Anyway, I'm not sure if you missed the after credits scene but Odin is clearly not on the level.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by stray

"Anime logic" will only get you so far

Depending on the show. If it's a show clearly grounded in reality, then sure, I require explanations and things to make sense. If it's just silly nonsense like school girls fighting aliens with the power of their magical pantsu and whatnot, the last thing I need are explanations.

To sum it up, stop trying to shoehorn your brain into may cute girls doing silly shit anime, please.

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Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

To sum it up, stop trying to shoehorn your brain into may cute girls doing silly shit anime, please.

You can like... ignore our criticisms, you know? They're directed at the show, not at you... I only actually quoted you to begin with because you were off about "hero wing".

Anyway given the writers its not clear what direction this series is going to go or if its going to take a dark turn near future, so I'm sort of curious as to how this quote ages.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by stray

You can like... ignore our criticisms, you know? They're directed at the show, not at you...

I was just pointing out those criticisms make little sense.

I only actually quoted you to begin with because you were off about "hero wing".

I wasn't that off. Claud clearly said a hero's wing is a gift from god. So my point that it has a blessing from Odin was right, even if the blessing is the plane itself. In any case, it's a fact the girls don't have a choice. They have to use what Odin provides and that's all there is to it.

And that answers your question. It is not a modern plane because it's a magical plane to begin with.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Originally Posted by SeijiSensei

I watched episode two and still find the premise ridiculous. They need to explain why the girls are flying the planes they are. Just ignoring the issue as they have done so far will get tiresome quickly.

Seeing how this is literally divine empowered equipment I wouldn't care so much about the outer appearances. Could be a plane or a Valkyrie's spear and it would still be the same thing functionally

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Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

I wasn't that off. Claud clearly said a hero's wing is a gift from god. So my point that it has a blessing from Odin was right, even if the blessing is the plane itself. In any case, it's a fact the girls don't have a choice. They have to use what Odin provides and that's all there is to it.

Again, the entire conversation you're referring to was about swapping a fucking engine so its not entirely clear how much of the plane is mechanical and how much is magical.

It really doesn't make sense to me that you claim the show isn't "grounded in reality" when its very clearly trying its hardest to do exactly that with all the military and base scenes. If your headcanon is good enough for you that's nice I suppose but the show really is failing is in meshing the magical with the grounded elements so far.

[Magewolf]

I think this difference of opinion is based on wither you are willing to accept "word of God" as a "good" reason for something.

For example, if the girls were riding flying horses that could keep up with modern planes. That would still be because Odin said so but it would make sense outside of that because they are Valkyries. Or if they were piloting magically enhanced super planes. That would still be because Odin said so but it would make sense outside of that because they are Valkyries and the world would be trying to give them the best weapons it could.

However having the girls pilot random old planes just because Odin said so has no supporting reason behind it. It has nothing to do with them being Valkyries or the fight they are in.

[grecefar]

I think the ending explained why they are using old planes besides the blessing of odin, they were planes used by heroes in a old war it seems.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by stray

Again, the entire conversation you're referring to was about swapping a fucking engine so its not entirely clear how much of the plane is mechanical and how much is magical.

Again, Claud literally says it's a gift from god. God is not a mechanic, it's a mystical being. So I think it's fairly certain the plane is a magical thing. It might have a engine, but it's magical.

It really doesn't make sense to me that you claim the show isn't "grounded in reality" when its very clearly trying its hardest to do exactly that with all the military and base scenes.

People act like people, sure, but that's about it. There are little girls fighting monster with the power of god. That's the main premise of the show and is as removed from reality as it gets. It's a silly nonsense premise, not entirely different to Strike Witches and the like. None of this is meant to be taking seriously.

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Originally Posted by grecefar

I think the ending explained why they are using old planes besides the blessing of odin, they were planes used by heroes in a old war it seems.

Did you get that from the website or something? That could kind of make sense, but there's no scene like that at the end of either episode.

Originally Posted by Magewolf

However having the girls pilot random old planes just because Odin said so has no supporting reason behind it. It has nothing to do with them being Valkyries or the fight they are in.

Pretty much this.

I'm atheist when it comes to storytelling... there is no god so if there's no trope behind it or no story reason its basically just shitty, edgy storytelling and/or art direction.

[serenade_beta]

Originally Posted by grecefar

I think the ending explained why they are using old planes besides the blessing of odin, they were planes used by heroes in a old war it seems.

I'm pretty sure planes didn't exist in Norse mythology.

[grecefar]

Originally Posted by stray

Did you get that from the website or something? That could kind of make sense, but there's no scene like that at the end of either episode.Pretty much this.

no, just watch the ED there was a scene with old planes flying and turning white clouds, then a cementery and the planes in the clouds.

Originally Posted by serenade_beta

I'm pretty sure planes didn't exist in Norse mythology.

no but if the norse mythology is true in this world then earth will be midgar, WWI and WWII happend, the hero wings could be the valkyries einherjar.

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Originally Posted by grecefar

no, just watch the ED there was a scene with old planes flying and turning white clouds, then a cementery and the planes in the clouds.

I mean I'll give you that its an interesting theory but this thread is already overrun with headcanon posing as fact. In the end we really don't know. I would be okay with zombie planes though.

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

Again, Claud literally says it's a gift from god. God is not a mechanic, it's a mystical being. So I think it's fairly certain the plane is a magical thing. It might have a engine, but it's magical.

Claud said that because she saw it as sacrilegious to modify the planes even though Azuzu clearly proved it was possible. I don't know what else to tell you considering you appear impervious to context. Probably a good skill to have if you're a shipper, anyway.

[serenade_beta]

Originally Posted by grecefar

no, just watch the ED there was a scene with old planes flying and turning white clouds, then a cementery and the planes in the clouds.



no but if the norse mythology is true in this world then earth will be midgar, WWI and WWII happend, the hero wings could be the valkyries einherjar.

Like above, nice theory, but I don't think high enough of this anime currently to give it intelligence points.

[Master_Yoma]

Well there skill at flying is truly legendary and who know that Claudia Biplane would fit in the tunnel

That had to be some kind of party

[HashiriyaR32]

Is it just me or is a tiny bit of Porco Rosso influence filtering into this anime?

First we have Sonoka's Macchi M.C.72 seaplane, which was built for, though sadly never competed in, the 1931 Schneider Trophy air race, while Porco Rosso featured both the third-place finisher, the Macchi M.33 (flown in the movie by Marco Rossolini), and the winner of the 1925 Schneider Cup, the Curtiss R3C.2 (flown by Donald Curtiss in the movie). Then, the last part of the ED where various combat aircraft dating from WWI all the way to the Korean War fly over Claudia brings to mind a flashback scene in Porco Rosso where Marco sees pilots from Italy and Austria-Hungary that were KIA throughout the course of WWI, rise into the sky to meet a whole mass of fallen pilots and their planes.

[Liddo-kun]

episode 1:

ok, fully watched the first episode now.

Claudia is a good character. And I like Miko too... happy characters are always nice to have around.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by stray

Claud said that because she saw it as sacrilegious to modify the planes even though Azuzu clearly proved it was possible.

There is no reason to believe Claud is not talking literally. Heck, her plane has literal mystical wings to begin with. If that doesn't prove they're magical, I don't know what else to tell you.

Azuzu messing with her plane only suggests they've got parts she can mess with. On the other hand fucking magical wings and Claud's dialog are pretty decisive evidence they are indeed magical. This isn't rocket science.

I don't know what else to tell you considering you appear impervious to context.

That's rich coming from someone who is literally dismissing any evidence that doesn't suit his narrative.

[Random Wanderer]

Guys, there are prequel novels to this anime which supposedly contain worldbuilding lore and whatnot. If you actually care so much about what the planes are that you need to take up the entire thread arguing about it, maybe you should just go look those up and find out?

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Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

Azuzu messing with her plane only suggests they've got parts she can mess with.

She swapped the engine. I really doubt Claud's line was meant to be the important takeaway from that scene.

That's rich coming from someone who is literally dismissing any evidence that doesn't suit his narrative.

My "narrative" is that we don't actually fucking know. Being belligerent towards me doesn't change that fact.

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

Guys, there are prequel novels to this anime which supposedly contain worldbuilding lore and whatnot. If you actually care so much about what the planes are that you need to take up the entire thread arguing about it, maybe you should just go look those up and find out?

I'll leave that to Kazu-kun; I'm nowhere near invested enough in the series to read the LN, plus they're not translated.