North Korea Crisis

[ArchmageXin]

Originally Posted by Ridwan

Taiwan is kinda closer to being absorbed into commie yoke at the moment.

Yes, embrace the greater mainland tourist revenue!

The great new unification weapon of doom-flood Taiwan with some much economic revenue and let them know who control the spigot.

[SaintessHeart]

Originally Posted by Ridwan

Taiwan is kinda closer to being absorbed into commie yoke at the moment.

And my lolis will be forced to breathe that polluted air! No! I want them cute and cuddly and adorable!

[LeoXiao]

Originally Posted by SaintessHeart

The Taiwanese are jealous.

Apparently the Americans don't liking sharing tech with Taiwan anymore because it all goes straight to Chinese spies.

[aohige]

After hearing all the attention whoring from North Korea for the upteenth time, some days I just think "If you're gonna push the goddamn button just do it, if not, then STFU"

[SaintessHeart]

Originally Posted by LeoXiao

Apparently the Americans don't liking sharing tech with Taiwan anymore because it all goes straight to Chinese spies.

Precisely. But I am inclined to think that SK, having recognised PRC as the main head of China, have elements who actively conduct such deals too for the sake of money and business opportunities in China.

US is is losing out in an Asian game here. The only 3 Asian parties that are still "technically" on their side are Japan, Taiwan and SEA.

Did I mention how much the rest of SEA hates China to the extent that racism against Chinese, be they migrants or born here, are usually condoned in a number of their states?

[willx]

Originally Posted by SaintessHeart

Did I mention how much the rest of SEA hates China to the extent that racism against Chinese, be they migrants or born here, are usually condoned in a number of their states?

Country != Person. That makes me very sad..

[SaintessHeart]

Originally Posted by willx

Country != Person. That makes me very sad..

We have had that here for a century. First the Malays, then the Japanese, then the British, then the Malays again, and now the Filipinos, Indians and Malays thanks to the bloody mainlanders who have no repect for the adapted culture and norms here.

I don't remember my ancestors being as much ostracised when they ran here to escape the revolution in the early 1900s. Then again, we Chinese seem to have that prideful streak when it comes to comparing skin colour and race, so I guess this is karma? I don't know.

Being a non-pure makes it worse - with all that "corrupted Chinese" comments I hear after revealing my lineage, I am starting to agree that recessive genes is not jist spread through family lines, but racial lines too.

[LeoXiao]

Originally Posted by SaintessHeart

I don't remember my ancestors being as much ostracised when they ran here to escape the revolution in the early 1900s. Then again, we Chinese seem to have that prideful streak when it comes to comparing skin colour and race, so I guess this is karma? I don't know.

Being a non-pure makes it worse - with all that "corrupted Chinese" comments I hear after revealing my lineage, I am starting to agree that recessive genes is not jist spread through family lines, but racial lines too.

Chinese philosophy and culture started becoming really pretentious and stuck-up around the Song dynasty when they invented neo-Confucianism and things like foot binding. Even as China got powerful in the Ming and early Qing, the cultural situation stagnated and has never really recovered since. Note how China hasn't really produced any innovations of value for a couple centuries.

[NoemiChan]

North Korean elite beating sanctions, one plasma TV at a time

BEIJING (Reuters) - North Koreans appear to be having little trouble taking home the latest cameras, flat-screen TVs and other items from China despite U.N. sanctions that are supposed to make it harder for the country's elite to enjoy the good things in life.

[ganbaru]

China fires warning shot at North Korea banks: report
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...92I09P20130319

Chinese regulators appear to have issued a warning shot to North Korean banks, telling them to stay within the remit of their permitted operations in China or risk penalties after a new round of U.N. sanctions sought to cut Pyongyang's funding.

[Ridwan]

Originally Posted by SaintessHeart

Did I mention how much the rest of SEA hates China to the extent that racism against Chinese, be they migrants or born here, are usually condoned in a number of their states?

Chinese upperhand in middlemen and business sectors doesn't help.

Of course, we can blame that to Europeans, which weren't all that nice to Chinese themselves.

[LeoXiao]

Moving back to the topic...

So this is kind of random but basically:
- The DPRK is known as Choson but the ROK is called Hanguk
- The DPRK would be gotten rid of after reunification
- What would become of the name "Choson"? Would the northern half of the country still retain it, or would it simply become a part of Hanguk?

[Sumeragi]

Depends. I personally want "Goryeo" to be used if this is an "equal" reunification.

[KiraYamatoFan]

First, North Korean servers got cyber-attacked.

Second, South Korean internet gets cyber-attacked.

Third, guess who's apparently behind yesterday's cyber-attack.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-21873017

Spoiler for long text:

A cyber-attack on South Korean banks and broadcasters came from an internet address in China, South Korean officials say, but the identity of those behind it cannot be confirmed.

The telecoms regulator said hackers used a Chinese address to plant a malicious code that hit networks at six organisations on Wednesday.

Officials said they were continuing to investigate the origins of the attack.

North Korea has been blamed for previous attacks in 2009 and 2011.

"Unidentified hackers used a Chinese IP address to contact servers of the six affected organisations and plant the malware which attacked their computers," said Park Jae-moon of South Korea's communications regulator.

"At this stage, we're still making our best efforts to trace the origin of attacks, keeping all kinds of possibilities open," he said.

Computer vaccines
Officials stressed that the IP address did not reveal who was behind the attack, as hackers can route their attacks through addresses in other countries to obscure their identities.

But the discovery has strengthened speculation that North Korea was behind the attack, the BBC's Lucy Williamson reports from Seoul.

Intelligence experts believe that North Korea routinely uses Chinese computer addresses to hide its cyber-attacks.

A taskforce is being formed to analyse the virus and stop further attacks, and free computer vaccines have been handed out to South Korean companies, our correspondent adds.

Korea's Communications Commission (KCC) said that the attacks on all six organisations appeared to come from a single entity.

The networks had been attacked by malicious codes, rather than distributed denial-of-service (DDoS) attacks as initially suspected.

'Persistent hacking'

Following Wednesday's attack, the KCC raised its cyber-attack alert levels to "caution," the third highest out of five levels, news agency Yonhap reported.

Around 32,000 computers were affected by the incident, and some services at Shinhan bank, including internet banking and ATM machines, were disrupted.

However, so far no damage had been detected in public institutions and infrastructure, the KCC was quoted as saying by Yonhap.

The incident comes with tensions between the two Koreas high.

North Korea has stepped up rhetoric in recent days in response to fresh UN sanctions over its nuclear test in February and joint annual military drills between the US and South Korea, which it bitterly opposes.

On 15 March, North Korea's KCNA news agency also accused the US and its allies of "intensive and persistent" hacking attacks on its internet servers.

I don't think any random North Korean dude can just play hacking from any random computer in China. I would not be surprised if those same vandals from PLA Unit 61398 are involved in this somehow and I believe the South Koreans know it despite not disclosing any further information.

[AnimeFan188]

Your hard drive will self-destruct at 2pm: Inside the South Korean cyberattack:

"A cyberattack in South Korea on Wednesday took the networks of several companies offline.
While some recovered in a matter of hours, South Korea's public broadcasting organization,
KBS, is still offline. But the identity of the person or group behind the attacks is still an open
question—one muddied by the hackers who are taking credit for at least part of it. It's not
clear at this point if the attack was state-sponsored, cyberwarfare by North Korea, or simply
an act of cyberterrorism by hackers looking to make a virtual name for themselves."

See:

http://arstechnica.com/security/2013...-cyber-attack/

[ArchmageXin]

Originally Posted by KiraYamatoFan

First, North Korean servers got cyber-attacked.

Second, South Korean internet gets cyber-attacked.

Third, guess who's apparently behind yesterday's cyber-attack.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-21873017

Spoiler for long text:

A cyber-attack on South Korean banks and broadcasters came from an internet address in China, South Korean officials say, but the identity of those behind it cannot be confirmed.

The telecoms regulator said hackers used a Chinese address to plant a malicious code that hit networks at six organisations on Wednesday.

Officials said they were continuing to investigate the origins of the attack.

North Korea has been blamed for previous attacks in 2009 and 2011.

"Unidentified hackers used a Chinese IP address to contact servers of the six affected organisations and plant the malware which attacked their computers," said Park Jae-moon of South Korea's communications regulator.

"At this stage, we're still making our best efforts to trace the origin of attacks, keeping all kinds of possibilities open," he said.

Computer vaccines
Officials stressed that the IP address did not reveal who was behind the attack, as hackers can route their attacks through addresses in other countries to obscure their identities.

But the discovery has strengthened speculation that North Korea was behind the attack, the BBC's Lucy Williamson reports from Seoul.

Intelligence experts believe that North Korea routinely uses Chinese computer addresses to hide its cyber-attacks.

A taskforce is being formed to analyse the virus and stop further attacks, and free computer vaccines have been handed out to South Korean companies, our correspondent adds.

Korea's Communications Commission (KCC) said that the attacks on all six organisations appeared to come from a single entity.

The networks had been attacked by malicious codes, rather than distributed denial-of-service (DDoS) attacks as initially suspected.

'Persistent hacking'

Following Wednesday's attack, the KCC raised its cyber-attack alert levels to "caution," the third highest out of five levels, news agency Yonhap reported.

Around 32,000 computers were affected by the incident, and some services at Shinhan bank, including internet banking and ATM machines, were disrupted.

However, so far no damage had been detected in public institutions and infrastructure, the KCC was quoted as saying by Yonhap.

The incident comes with tensions between the two Koreas high.

North Korea has stepped up rhetoric in recent days in response to fresh UN sanctions over its nuclear test in February and joint annual military drills between the US and South Korea, which it bitterly opposes.

On 15 March, North Korea's KCNA news agency also accused the US and its allies of "intensive and persistent" hacking attacks on its internet servers.

I don't think any random North Korean dude can just play hacking from any random computer in China. I would not be surprised if those same vandals from PLA Unit 61398 are involved in this somehow and I believe the South Koreans know it despite not disclosing any further information.

Because it is so hard to re-direct an IP address from another country right?

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by ArchmageXin

Because it is so hard to re-direct an IP address from another country right?

You must excuse us of our scepticism in NK's hacking ability. Mostly due to the lack of computer use in their general population. China has know hackers under their pay, it is a matter of what is more likely.

[ArchmageXin]

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

You must excuse us of our scepticism in NK's hacking ability. Mostly due to the lack of computer use in their general population. China has know hackers under their pay, it is a matter of what is more likely.

The NPR disagree, unless you want to argue NPR is also an Chinese backed entity...

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/...a-is-no-newbie

So does Bloomingberg, unless you claim that source is Biased toward Bejing as well.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...asters-1-.html

And two years ago, Fox News. A known Communist China supporter, right?

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/05...sophisticated/

So maybe, just maybe, one shouldn't underestimate the North Koreans?

[Sumeragi]

You know people, just because a country does not allow access to computers on a general level does not mean it cannot have teeth if it put its mind to it. Believe it or not DPRK has a sophisticated internet network with highly trained programmers/hackers, all for military purposes.

[willx]

Originally Posted by ArchmageXin

So maybe, just maybe, one shouldn't underestimate the North Koreans?

Pfft.. North Vietnam Korea? What could they possibly do! Psh posh!