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Hmmm, I don't know. Japanese people are pretty much relegated to "ghettos". Do you really see many Japanese civilians around, even though the setting is really Japan? They don't really seem well off to me. I saw a scene with a Japanese in one of the Britannia areas. The vendor. He was pretty much beaten until he was rescued.
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2008-05-14, 00:03 | Link #1142 | |
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2008-05-14, 00:03 | Link #1143 | |
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A) Rules must be followed or B) Those who follow rules must not be hurt If it doesn't, then Suzaku is being a totally consistent and rational person, okay? |
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2008-05-14, 00:05 | Link #1144 | |
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Of course, our Suzaku doesn't really concern himself with such ideas. |
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2008-05-14, 00:06 | Link #1145 | |
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And look at what happens when you play in the same game with two different rulebooks.
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2008-05-14, 00:08 | Link #1146 | |
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Even Clovis -- Clovis -- ordered a massacre of an entire ghetto without a blink of an eye after all. And it was accepted by the troops, the media, and the Britannian colonists like nothing happened. Sure, the common colonists didn't exactly explicitly *know* of these massacres, but it's not like many of them would care even if they do know. The British had their share of crimes and oppression in the subcontinent (ignored by nostalgia-tinted outlooks of some "pro-Imperial" British as if nonexistent), but Britannia really is off the charts in "Evil Empire" status I think. |
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2008-05-14, 00:10 | Link #1147 | |
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Oh, and also, I'd butt into your conversation about how the Japanese are treated and mention that the six noble families of Japan, as well as the many dozens of other candidates Lelouch had for head of the Kyoto house, indicate that there were quite a few Japanese who were living in decent conditions. |
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You mean Britian, or have I missundertood your original meaning? |
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2008-05-14, 00:15 | Link #1150 | |
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Which rules though? Whose rules? Any rules that are already in place? Japan's rules? Britannia's rules? Suzaku's rules that for some reason do not apply to Britannia? So, those 2 criterias work only for Japanese or rebels and not his Britannian masters? Would those rules apply to the Emperor? If it was a weak nation who invaded Japan instead of Britannia, would Suzaku still kill his father? Weak nation or strong nation, there is still hurting of innocents, so to stop the bloodshed, Suzaku needs to commit patricide? |
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2008-05-14, 00:16 | Link #1151 | |
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That we can agree on. |
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2008-05-14, 00:19 | Link #1152 | |
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I think we really need a better picture of the circumstances in which Suzaku killed his father. That whole "I did it to save the people!' thing to me just sounds like a whole lot of self-justification for killing his dad.
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Kid was desperate to do something and in that rage he killed his father. I mean he fell into shock after that. |
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2008-05-14, 00:27 | Link #1154 | |
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Yeah, he's a messed up guy. He's made some progress, but he's still pretty messed up.
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2008-05-14, 00:28 | Link #1155 | |||
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Regardless of how brutal the romans were even they had their limits to such violent and oppressive acts. Quote:
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2008-05-14, 00:30 | Link #1156 | ||
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But, at least Lelouch mans up and knows that some of the stuff is wrong. He just feels like he has no choice but to continue. Suzaku needs to continually make himself feel like he is one of the good guys. Quote:
A) Suzaku is lying with/about his justifications (or he is deceiving in action). What he used as justification isn't the real reason why he did it. |
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Lelouch can only dream of having done the same.
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2008-05-14, 00:37 | Link #1158 | ||
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Yet everyone completely forgets every detail of Suzaku where he admits that he's a son of a ****, a terrible person, and someone who doesn't deserve to even be a honored knight of Britannia. I mean if that doesn't stand out saying that he knows that his actions are descipiable then I don't know what else to say. Quote:
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2008-05-14, 00:47 | Link #1160 | |
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So, Suzaku made those exact justifications for his own actions to make himself seem like a bad guy? |
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