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View Poll Results: Shakugan no Shana III - Episode 15 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 16 | 34.78% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 20 | 43.48% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 7 | 15.22% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 2 | 4.35% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 2.17% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2012-01-24, 18:00 | Link #61 | |
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There's too many "what ifs", going through with war on a "what if" is irresponsible and reckless. A positive "what if" is, what if the denizens end up building their own countries, cities, etc, living out their lives. But they're immediately jumping the gun on the most negative outcome. I don't think the SoF is capable of creating human life, if he did, then he can just make people to consume PoE for eternity, then that'll just be a moral issue.
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2012-01-24, 18:12 | Link #62 | |
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That said, I don't think the Snake's plan is for the Denizens to just continue to eat humans in Xanadu, I believe Xanadu is supposed to provide Power of Existence without that being needed. But just because it is not needed doesn't mean it won't happen. |
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2012-01-24, 19:43 | Link #64 | |
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2012-01-24, 21:02 | Link #65 |
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Well, if I was just going by the Snake's words, I wouldn't be as confident. But CenterHill mentioned the possibility of the Denizens behaving in the new world as they have behaved in the old, and how that could bring about disaster. The only thing I could imagine him referring to by that is eating humans: what else could the Denizens do in the new world that would cause problems?
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2012-01-24, 22:45 | Link #66 | |
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What I gathered from Flame Hazes as a whole (with very few exceptions) is that they're vindictive, self serving and very self righteous. I don't trust any of them.
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2012-01-24, 22:51 | Link #67 | |
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It's not like the mere existence of humans in the new world would automatically make the Snake's plan bad anyways. |
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2012-01-24, 23:15 | Link #68 |
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I think that for this episode the explanations were pretty much dense for me to understand even I have to go and rewatch for as many times deem necessary.
The rundown is that Centerhill along with the one of the Four Gods of the Motherland chose to interfere in the battle, because the would be creation of Xanadu by Serpent of the Ritual will entail the creation of a new world replenished with Power of Existence that once was consumed but will return into that world for Tomogara. The gist is that Xanadu would become another sum of a world becoming part of an even greater world, and thus whatever catastrophe in Power of Existence affects Xanadu irrevocably would be affecting the balance of the rest of the Greater World: Guze + Earth + (Xanadu) + storm rift. And, Centerhill clearly said that the Gods of the Motherland can only police the actions of whatever happens in the Earth, but not at the other side of the storm rift where Xanadu would be placed. So, if the Tomogara go unchecked at Xanadu and do what they please with Power of Existence in that would be world of theirs, then there will be no stopping the universal balance of all the worlds from crumbling. That said so, if I may add for best characterization of this arc, Samuel Demantius and Zinitra shared their last moments of companionship with epicness. It was just to bad to witness the fall of a veteran hound, but Samuel exceeded his own expectations to save as many if not all the wounded Flame Hazes and buying time with his body and existence at the Tower. Even if he only appeared just in this season and lasted for about more than 10 episode appearances, Samuel Demantius will always be remembered. |
2012-01-25, 00:15 | Link #69 | |
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Also, I've been thinking whether if what Yuuji had in mind is something like the subversion of the "even if it looks the same, it's not the same" trope which was often used as a protagonist's reason to reject temptation-illusory attacks. Perhaps with this reasoning, Yuuji thought that even if the other world is an exact copy down to the existence of individual humans, they are ultimately of no importance to the original world. But there's also the line of reasoning of "everyone and everything is a special, unique existence" which could put a grayer moral standpoint to the existence of humans of Xanadu (which would be the denizens livestock). It depends on what things Yuuji is putting his priorities in. Of course, all this is assuming that the PoE in Xanadu will exist as humans or other living beings. Maybe The Snake could simply flood PoE to Xanadu until the very air is saturated by it. Though, the ultimate question remains, where will the energy to create Xanadu comes from? As long as the answer to this question remains unclear, or unsatisfactory, there is still a solid reason for the Flame Hazes to oppose The Snake imo.
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2012-01-25, 04:11 | Link #70 | ||
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I too think that Yuji won't let the tomogara do what they want in Xanadu though, since he really hates the idea of humans disappearing and being forgotten. It's one of the reasons he started this plan in the first place. He's smart and has the god of creation working with him, so he has probably thought of a way to avoid this scenario. But since the flame haze don't know Yuji personally and since he's working with the leader of the tomogara, who would believe him if he says that this won't happen. Even if Shana would believe him, she wouldn't be able to convince the other flame haze of this. Quote:
But from the flame haze point of view....since they don't know how he's going to pull it off, they'll have to try and stop him. The real body of SnH entering this world already had an effect on the world, so who knows what will happen when he'll actually use his power. All in all, there are still more than enough reasons for the flame haze to fight.
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2012-01-25, 12:09 | Link #72 | |
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2012-01-25, 12:24 | Link #73 | |
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Now, the implication the anime has given is that this was NOT what happened when the Snake was first sealed 3,000 years ago. There were at least two references to "the hunters the Snake invited" sealing him, or something like that. So I got the impression that 3,000 years ago the Snake tried to do things peacefully and it backfired badly for him. So I understand why he (and Yuji as a result) would decide to take the violent route this time. Still, it kind of sucks for the Flame Hazes of today to suffer for something ancient Flame Hazes did 3,000 years ago. |
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2012-01-25, 15:19 | Link #74 | |
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Yuji probably anticipated this and took action. Fighting the flame haze was probably inevitable. In order to make his dream come true, he had to do it this way.
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2012-01-25, 19:26 | Link #75 | |
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It's like someone killing your dog because they're afraid of the possibility of your dog biting them.
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2012-01-25, 19:40 | Link #76 | |
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Also, it restoring the current world is an assumption as well. Did you forget that the only one who said anything about something like that happening was CenterHill... the same person who believes that the Snake's plan will ultimately lead to disaster? Yuji has been waging war against the Flame Hazes, and has not been very forthcoming with what he plans to do. Even now, he's not very specific about some aspects of his plan. He may have good reasons to behave like this. But regardless, this conflict is not some simple, black and white conflict where the Snake is obviously good in every way and all the Flame Hazes are all evil or stupid. |
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2012-01-25, 23:11 | Link #77 | |
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2012-01-25, 23:49 | Link #78 | |
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At least that's the impression I got. |
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2012-01-26, 07:14 | Link #79 | |
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Indeed, nobody knows what will happen in Xanadu. Yuji only said that it will be a world for the tomogara and that it will be a copy of this world. So this means that it is highly likely that the same thing what's happening in this world (tomogara eating humans resulting in the balance crumbling) will happen over there as well. Yuji/SnH said nothing to deny this. So the flame haze have to take this into consideration. Since every world is connected, if something were to wrong over there, in time it would become problem of this world as well. Yuji's/SnH's plan won't solve the overal problem. The balance of the 'greater world' would still be at risk, just as it is now. The problem would just be shifted to another world. Since Yuji/SnH said nothing about this matter, even when he tried to make the flame haze stop fighting in episode 14, it seems to me that he has no answer/solution for this. I think he would have said something about this otherwise. In the end the flame haze (well in this case Centerhill and Shana) decided not to risk it. There are still things that could go wrong when creating Xanadu, even though Yuji/SnH says it won't go wrong. So why risk the destruction of the world, why create a new world if the overal problem won't be solved. There are just more reasons to fight than reasons not to fight, I guess.
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2012-01-27, 00:08 | Link #80 |
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Remember, that Yuji didn't propose a ceasefire after the speech. He just told them that their duty is over (and they should just shut up and die)
He's just as guilty of letting the conflict drag on Though to be frank, I think the denizens would keep on attacking anyway. They have too much bad blood with flame hazes. But I agree that Flame Hazes not asking about the details are strange In fact. it doesn't make sense. If they hate denizens so much and have every reason to doubt them, why would they take Snake's words at face value and scatter like cockroaches? If Iran said they discovered nuclear fusion and thus, ending the world's energy problem would the US take it at face value?
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