Sorry for the delay, wing, I went to sleep.
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Originally Posted by wingdarkness
I gotta believe if Suzaku is unveiling a dose of refrain and suggesting it is a truth serum there may be more to this than "OMGBBQ I hate Suzaku so what he's saying is some dumb$hit..." Furthermore in the context of the situation given I am only speculating what could occur given the circumstances..I have repeatedly said that I'm not sure what Suzaku is up to and if it is a real threat or a psychological play, but given the set-up it is more than logical for me to surmise that the writers are setting up a plausible scenario rather than just pi$$ing you off because anything Suzaku does has to be weighted down with a 10-ton feather of "because he pi$$es me off" doubt...
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He isn't suggesting it is truth serum. He simply said that he doesn't care anymore and that he will use refrain to... For all you know, his sentence may have ended with 'torture'. It has been noted within the CG continium that there is a truth serum somewhere in the world, C.C. makes note of that. Refrain is an illegal hallucinogen that simply knocks someone off their rocker for a few hours. It is niether credible (unlike a truth serum to a degree) nor is it even remotely guaranteed/effective in what he wants.
As I said, this has nothing to do with 'I hate Suzaku", this is me saying, "This is utterly idiotic." His actions, if they are a ploy, are stupid for these reasons: His hands are now occupied, he's in a small room, and the person he's threatening has a chair right behind them they can smash over his head. What part of his miniscule brain planned this out? If he goes to restrain her first, then the noise and struggle would likely attract attention. If his intent is to drug her, he'd have a better chance throwing darts at a board of possible Zeros in the dark.
As I said, I have no qualm with it being Suzaku, I simply do not like his utter stupidity in the situation. He's just twirling his mustache for the sake of feeling good.
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Originally Posted by wingdarkness
You are assuming you know more than has potentially been explained...So what if Lulu cuts her mom and dad in the check-out line of f*cked-up refrain memories?? In a show where 1 million people put on Zero costumes and Rooms-to-Go sets up Lulu's study in the middle of the desert, excuse me if I'm going off the deep-end by suggesting that Kallen in a f*cked-up, drugged-up state might infer something about Zero's identity...Is that more out of bounds than the $hitload of obtuse scenarios this show has showered the audience with for dramatic effect?? I'm just not being as dismissive as you because it would not shock me in the least if the writers simply made her have a Lulu memory as to fit the modus operandi of the story at this point...A thousand pardons if I don't just see it as Suzaku's a b!tch so the entire basis of analyzing this scenario gets thrown outta the window for me...
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The only thing I have assumed is that Lelouch is not more important to her than her family when it was whole. (Hell, I'd even be happy if it did turn out that way, so that I get some poo to fling around.) I did not say you were going off the deep end, I simply said it is highly unlikely for this to give Suzaku what he wants. The chance of it being as you say is no better than me taking a horse and trying to fit it into a Doll House Barn. Certainly it is possible by what definition I use for inside the Doll House Barn, but by the time I get the horse into the barn, I'll likely have destroyed the barn.
The simple fact that he is acting without basis and on his little vendetta against Lelouch makes him a bitch, but that is not what I am even talking about. This series of events, and his plan, make him into a collosal moron. If he had at least brought out hand-cuffs first, maybe.
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Originally Posted by Ruvixur
Yes, I do.
Refrain incident with her mother ended in her favor.
Losing comrades? Everyone lose them, so I don't count it.
Zero identity? It ended in her favor also, because now Lelouch is Zero is one person to her.
She needs to lose something, which will make her suffer to the rest of series. I guess you can count her brother here, but it happened so long ago. I want to see their expressions when they lose something. They need to suffer. 
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Your stupidity is showing.
There is no 'in her favor' in having her mom be a vegetable due to drugs and in prison for twenty odd years. That's simply a better than worse, bad end. She's lost her mother for twenty years no matter how you look at it.
You don't count friends she's lost because others have lost them too? Idiotic.
Oh good, you made an actual point. Thought I was wasting my time.
Let's see, she's lost her mother, her brother, her father, her heritage, her friends, her country, and she's been removed from the man she loves and with no guarantee of living to see him again. Seems... like she's lost quite a bit, time doesn't matter because she's clearly not just up and forgotten about her brother. She lost him and she knows.
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Originally Posted by Ruvixur
Lol, i guess i used wrong phrase. But if she is really going to get drugged to the point of addiction, i don't see her future ending really good. This will certainly destroy any chances of Lelouch X Kallen and increase chances of Lelouch staying single and increase chances of her dieing. IMHO.
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Your logic... which is devoid of logic... baffles me.
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