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As for traps, i hate to say it that some traps are better looking than any of the main heroines in their respective anime/manga/VN, but let's not thread into that dangerous territory. |
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2013-01-25, 20:25 | Link #67 |
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Thank you for that, Genji. I hope thats what he means, but I dont know why he acted like that.
I had always thought that transvestite is a person who really wants to be the other gender, and "trap" was a slur against people like that. I didnt know it was a good word here. |
2013-01-25, 20:38 | Link #68 |
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As Genji-chan explained, i am not using male characters who simply dress up as females like Amane from Blazblue as a trap
But rather characters like Chihaya from Otoboku 2 or Remon from Pure Girl as a trap There is a difference and that is the subject of this topic: the "moe" factor |
2013-01-25, 20:45 | Link #70 | |
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The words in the quotation marks are intentionally used for their double meaning in this post |
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2013-01-25, 20:48 | Link #72 |
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Traps pretty much by definition look like a female most of the time without any real flags that it could be male in the slightest.
They are usually in two versions: Cute or sexy. Both can be disturbing if one is not careful. Generally to the point were either they or someone else can say "But its a guy" and you, that audiance observer would say "bullshit".
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2013-01-25, 20:51 | Link #73 | |
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Let's make it more extreme than Amane. This is IMO definitely not a trap, but a crossdresser or whatever you may call him edit: it seems that i am ignoring my own previous post/warning ... Last edited by hyl; 2013-01-25 at 21:04. |
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2013-01-25, 21:04 | Link #74 | |
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The trap is always the best "girl".
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2013-01-26, 04:57 | Link #76 | |
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Nobody has raised Renji from EF or Haruka from Yosuga no Sora as examples of moe male characters yet? Come on people, a boy doesn't need to be a trap to be moe.
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Then there's characters like OreImo's Kuroneko, Otome Youkai Zakuro's Zakuro, and Sola's Matsuri where their sad experiences play little part in why I love the characters so much. I call them moe because their cuteness and charms bewitch me such that I feel compelled to worship them as goddesses with puppy eyed adoration. Again, it's a feeling of warmth and like I'm too giddy to think quite as well as usual. That, to me, is the feeling of moe. (So, an intense adoration manifest in a feeling of warmth and slight giddiness? Works for me, and I think it's probably what my girlfriend feels too based on how she acts when she takes a "moe hit". I'm guessing this definition won't satisfy some, though.)
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2013-01-26, 08:34 | Link #77 | |
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Even characteristics like height matter, I think. Most female characters that I would classify as moe tend to be on the short side, like Hidamari's Hiro. When put alongside a tallish male companion, it adds an imouto-like aspect to their relationship that often plays out in ways that I would consider demeaning to the girl, like the pats on the head we often see in scenes like those. It makes the girl seem more like a puppy than an equal to the male. The sexism inherent in such portrayals is hard to miss.
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I'm getting the impression we also see these couples differently in general, I actually had to think about what you meant by "imouto-like aspect" for quite a while to see it and I'm still not sure I got it right. Or maybe we're not even thinking of the same couples.
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