Fate/ Series FanFiction Discussion

[Tiresias]

Originally Posted by Haak

I thought Shirou was only good at tracing swords and anything else was too problematic?

He seems to be able to trace simple objects such as a blanket, and while a gun might be more complex than say, a simple longsword, it's still simpler than superpowered legendary weapons.

Besides, he can not only produce swords, but also shaping them into arrows, so his powers are actually very flexible. And even if one is too averse to use guns in the setting, replacing the Origin Bullets with Origin Arrows can work just as well

(and I REALLY doubt Kiritsugu would let him go that path)

Normally yes, but that was more because he had never expected Shirou to participate in a Grail War; IIRC he had thought that there won't be another war for at least 4 decades, which by then his plan to sabotage the nearby leylines would have taken effect (read the wiki for more details). So yeah, that's one option I guess...

[Heroslayer]

I thought Shirou was only good at tracing swords and anything else was too problematic?

That's the point of a Magic Crest.

Spoiler for Magic Crest:

Taken from Type moon Wikia

As long as the Crest is completely integrated with the magus body, he will be able to cast any spell stored inside of it, even if he himself never had the chance to learn it properly. All he has to do is to activate the Crest just like he would do to a normal Circuit (by running prana inside of it), find the spell stored inside and activate it with its relevant incantation and thaumaturgical process. The only problem I could see is that it's like donating an organ, where it can go wrong with the wrong type of donor. But I hand waved that in my mind with he has Avalon shoved in his body, he'll be fine.

(and I REALLY doubt Kiritsugu would let him go that path)

Things go differently in these stories. That's the point of fanfiction, isn't it?

You would have to twist Kiritsugu's reasoning a bit, but I don't really see the process being too out of character. From what I've seen, he wants the best for Shirou. Being a mage is dangerous so Shirou shouldn't be a magus (is that right or is it mage I can never remember) for example. Twist that to, Shirou won't give up on being a magus, so let's at least teach him how to do it right so he doesn't kill himself.

[Cherry_Lover]

Originally Posted by Tiresias

Well I don't know whether someone can inherit a Magic Crest, but I imagine a properly trained Shirou would not need to trace legendary weapons as often, since most of the time (especially against magi) he can just trace a gun with similar properties to Kiritsugu's Contender while not needing to worry about the lack of Origin Bullets due to his trace capability.

Shirou can't trace guns, and he can't inherit Kiritsugu's Magic Crest due to not being his real son.

It's an interesting concept. Just keep in mind that Tohsaka Rin won't go even one kilometer near Magus Killer Emiya Shirou...

I don't see the problem, actually. She's not a bad person, so there's no reason for them to fight. Of course, the more interesting thing would be if he were to meet Sakura, and find out about Zouken....

Originally Posted by Tiresias

He seems to be able to trace simple objects such as a blanket, and while a gun might be more complex than say, a simple longsword, it's still simpler than superpowered legendary weapons.

Shirou cannot trace guns, canonically. He's limited to close-combat weapons, except if the thing he's trying to trace is relatively simple (like a bow).

And even if one is too averse to use guns in the setting, replacing the Origin Bullets with Origin Arrows can work just as well

Hmm, interesting idea, but he'd need Kiritsugu's bones to make them. Also, arrows are probably not sufficient for that purpose, because they could probably be avoided without the use of direct blocking magecraft, and would likely not be fatal to a magus anyway.

[Heroslayer]

Shirou can't trace guns, and he can't inherit Kiritsugu's Magic Crest due to not being his real son.

Spoiler for Magic Crests:

I always saw the family part as optional but highly recommended. I mean, the crest capability is something that is likened to organ transplants. And while it is hard to find a donor that isn't family, it isn't impossible. Not to mention the whole, do it over time that helps it go along smoothly. And like I said before I partially hand waved it with Avalon.

Hmm, interesting idea, but he'd need Kiritsugu's bones to make them. Also, arrows are probably not sufficient for that purpose, because they could probably be avoided without the use of direct blocking magecraft, and would likely not be fatal to a magus anyway

I would think that a reinforced arrow alongside Innate Time Control would be pretty deadly.

[Tiresias]

Originally Posted by Cherry_Lover

Hmm, interesting idea, but he'd need Kiritsugu's bones to make them.

That's where Tracing will be very handy

Also, arrows are probably not sufficient for that purpose, because they could probably be avoided without the use of direct blocking magecraft, and would likely not be fatal to a magus anyway.

I'm not implying that they're to be used for direct combat. Remember, Kiritsugu himself prefers to ambush his enemies rather than fighting them head-on. And regarding the effectiveness of them against magi:

Spoiler for :

Its power as a conceptual weapon is an even bigger threat to magi. As a magus will attempt to interfere with the bullet through magecraft (ie. by activating their magic circuits) the effects of "severing and binding" will feed back into their circuits as well. "Severing" the circuits will cause a catastrophic blowout, tearing apart the magus' body with its own overloaded prana. "Binding" the circuits again will render them permanently inoperable, destroying the target's magecraft abilities.

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Anyway, there's one more thing to take into consideration when going with the "Properly Trained" Emiya: everything he can do, EMIYA can do it better. Remember that when writing Archer.

[Cherry_Lover]

Originally Posted by Heroslayer

I always saw the family part as optional but highly recommended. I mean, the crest capability is something that is likened to organ transplants. And while it is hard to find a donor that isn't family, it isn't impossible. Not to mention the whole, do it over time that helps it go along smoothly. And like I said before I partially hand waved it with Avalon.

Well, it isn't absolutely impossible to transfer a Magic Crest to someone outside the family, but for a normal magus family (one that doesn't have generations of genetic fiddling to make the heir more compatible with the Crest), passing a Crest even to another family member is a rather painful process, requiring lots of special care and attention to prevent rejection. For a non-family member, it would be agony

Spoiler for HF:

(the only example of it being done in canon is Sakura, and that involved torturing her for eleven years, raping her with penis worms and changing her body totally to make her suitable for Matou magic).

So, no, it's not plausible for Kiritsugu to pass his Magic Crest onto Shirou, given that he cares more about Shirou's well-being than he does about making him a magus and that to do so would likely be impossible and certainly would be painful.

I would think that a reinforced arrow alongside Innate Time Control would be pretty deadly.

Perhaps, but Shirou doesn't have Inate Time Control....

[LostHanyou]

Searched Kirei Kotomine as main character on fanfiction.net

No results

Searched Berserker. No results.

Isn't it sad, Kirei and Berserker? ;_;

[RadiantBeam]

Well, considering that the most well known form of FSN is the anime, and considering how Kotomine is portrayed in the anime.... yeah.

[Heroslayer]

Considering how well other anime's are for putting side characters and extras a little.

[LostHanyou]

I'm going to find a way to make a fanfiction starring Kotomine and Berserker.

May or may not contain very strange yaoi.

[Moczo]

Kotomine and Berserker: They fight crime?

[Ricky Controversy]

Originally Posted by Moczo

Kotomine and Berserker: They fight crime?

Magic: they do some.

[Cherry_Lover]

Originally Posted by LostHanyou

Searched Kirei Kotomine as main character on fanfiction.net

No results

Searched Berserker. No results.

Isn't it sad, Kirei and Berserker? ;_;

Well, Kotomine is the bad guy in the story, so making him the main character is pretty damn hard, and Berserker is insane. Plus, Sakura only has two fics where she's listed as a main character (and I know damn well that there are at least a few more where she is), and even Rin only has 12, so I don't think that Berserker and Kotomine having none is overly surprising....

Edit: Looking at it, Saber is only listed as having three. And, given that about 75% of the fics on there are Saber x Shirou, I think that tells you all you need to know about the current completeness level of the main character listings....

[Haak]

Cherry Lover. You just totally killed the joke.

So utterly killed it, you could give Shiki a run for his money.

[Tiresias]

Originally Posted by Moczo

Kotomine and Berserker: They fight crime?

Berserker and Kirei~
Berserker and Kirei~
One is a genius, the other insane~

Damn, that's pretty much a Moczo-ryuu crack fic

[Moczo]

Originally Posted by Haak

Cherry Lover. You just totally killed the joke.

So utterly killed it, you could give Shiki a run for his money.

A moment of silence for the poor, helpless joke. So young, so innocent...

Originally Posted by Tiresias

Berserker and Kirei~
Berserker and Kirei~
One is a genius, the other insane~

Damn, that's pretty much a Moczo-ryuu crack fic

No! No, I will not! I've already had to basically ditch one project for the foreseeable future to get my fic load down to something I can manage in between going to work and looking for a better job! I'll not let you push anything else upon me!

[Tiresias]

Originally Posted by Moczo

No! No, I will not! I've already had to basically ditch one project for the foreseeable future to get my fic load down to something I can manage in between going to work and looking for a better job! I'll not let you push anything else upon me!

Say what? Oh relax, I was just saying that the crackiness is very you ; if anything, I'd rather you finish your current ones.

[Heroslayer]

Alright, so magic crest is no go. Still is the idea of Magus Killer Shirou still applicable. I mean, Kiritsugu doesn't know much Magecraft other than what's useful for battle, but he does know Reinforcement which is something that Shirou can do.

Though I do have to admit, I plan on making a more bitter Shirou. I imagine that having Kiritsugu take Shirou with him when he 'travels the world' would be perfect for what I want.

[RadiantBeam]

Random update. Rin/Shirou short, post UBW True. Brief mention of Sakura, but mostly Rin-centric, with focus on her father and Shirou.

Tagline: In her life, Tohsaka Rin only loved two men.

Spoiler for The Art of Falling In Love:

The first man Tohsaka Rin loved was a man who, in her opinion, was one of the greatest magi to ever live. He followed the code and supported his ideals right until the very end; touched by him as a child, she chased desperately after his shadow until she was seventeen, tried her hardest to follow in his footsteps and become the magus he had been, the magus he had trained her to be.

The first man Tohsaka Rin ever loved was her father, and she never got over him.

It was an innocent love, in the way of children; not the love of a woman to a man, not even the love of a girl to a boy. It was the love of a daughter to her father, the love of a child who idolized an adult. She had been young, and innocent, and at the time all she had known on that day was that he wouldn’t come back. And she had loved him anyway, even knowing that, even when she went up to her room, locked the door, and wept into her pillow for two hours, later resolving to never cry again because if he had been there, he would have scolded her.

When Rin was older, she learned of the flaws that came with the man she had loved. She learned that being a magus first, while it had suited him fine, was a poor fit for her personality and self; she learned that he had been a horrible, horrible judge of character, and cursed the fact that he had somewhat passed that flaw onto her.

But the greatest flaw of the man she had loved, the only true sin he had probably ever committed in his life, was lost to her until the night she saw it burned into her sister’s skin. The night she had spent at the Matou mansion, crying, covered in blood from her sister’s nails, trying her best to heal her sister’s pain and hold her close as she screamed and thrashed, was the night Rin learned that the man she had loved with all her heart was a man who had sentenced her sister to Hell.

She knew this now, at seventeen. Her father hadn’t been perfect; he hadn’t been the shining, white knight she had held up on a pedestal, the perfect magus she had chased after for as long as she could remember.

She loved him anyway. Even when morning came and she groggily opened her eyes, her sister whimpering in her sleep and snuggling even more tightly into her arms, she knew she still loved him. Yes, he had been a flawed man, he had committed many wrongs. She could never deny that.

But he had been her father, and she had loved him from childhood. To give up that love now was to cut out a piece of her heart and leaving it bleeding somewhere alone and cold.

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The second man Tohsaka Rin loved hadn’t even been a man when she met him; he was just a boy, a boy with a heart of gold and a stubborn streak that put her own to shame. He chased after his ideals full speed, never looking back. Sometimes Rin felt that even if she sprinted as fast as she could, she could never keep up with the boy, even if she poured all of her heart and soul into it.

The second man Tohsaka Rin ever loved was Emiya Shirou, and he was the man she would eventually die beside.

It started out as most romances did; a crush. Seeing the boy from a distance, admiring him, and then realizing he was in her school, which led to mild interaction. It wasn’t until the Holy Grail War that it shifted; that admiration deepened into friendship, and friendship eventually became true, honest love. She had seen the boy that was Shirou, had seen the man he could become that was Archer, and was shocked to realize that knowing this only made her love the boy more, even as she did her best during the War to save the man. In the end, the man was lost, and she was left with the boy.

Unlike her father, it didn’t take long for Rin to pick up on the fact that Shirou had one huge, glaring, obvious flaw beyond his mile wide stubborn streak: even after the War, he was simply far too nice for his own good. He may have accepted how impossible his ideals were, and had learned to value his own life because if he didn’t, his girlfriend would beat him, but at his core, Shirou was still far too kind, and still had a bad tendency of valuing the life of others over his own. It was a flaw he would never be without, and to be honest, Rin had to admit that even when the flaw annoyed her to her last wit, it was still part of what she loved so much about the boy.

The same age as she was, Shirou was far from being the ideal lover, even when they had been together for some time. He was often rough when they were alone in bed, something she secretly enjoyed but always scolded him for; he hardly knew how to react, if he did at all, to times when she felt oddly affectionate towards him, either at his house or in school when they were alone. He still seemed to enjoy teasing her far too much for his own good, even when she found a way to return the favor.

And, if Rin was honest with herself, she knew that was part of the fun.

He wasn’t perfect; he was perhaps the one boy who suited her well, but certainly not the boy who suited her the best. Life with him would never be easy, or quick, or simple. Life with him would often be hard, sometimes very rough, and even more often it would be complicated and quite possibly painful. It was no secret that if Rin wanted, she could have a boy who had more of her mindset, who licked her very hand if she commanded it.

But if there was one thing Shirou had over every boy who had ever chased after her, it was that he knew her; not only the top student that the others saw in school. He knew the cold magus who tried so hard to suppress her heart, he knew the girl who he teasingly called ‘demon’ and enjoyed playing pranks on him, he knew the Master who had grieved for the death of her Servant even when the War had ended.

And he knew the girl who had come home to him that afternoon, pale and covered in blood, and had held her tightly in his arms, stroking her hair and whispering when she had collapsed into his chest, sobbing out her anger and frustration.

Loving Shirou would never be easy, but then again, Rin would have been very, very bored if life had been easy.

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“Would your father have liked me?”

He asks it one night, in the dark; she is snuggled on his chest, gently tracing small patterns on his skin as her hair spills around them both. They’re both still warm and a little sweaty from sex, covered only by the sheet of his futon; they both know tomorrow morning there will be trouble, since she’s never stayed the night before, and Taiga doesn’t know yet that they’re dating.

But he asked her to stay, softly and with gentle eyes, and she said yes.

Rin doesn’t even need to think about it. “He would have despised you,” she says with a soft laugh, shifting to look into his golden eyes. “You’re everything he always taught me to not be.”

Shirou snorts; there is no anger or sadness in the sound. He never knew Rin’s father personally, but he has seen the impact he had on the girl he loves, and he knows the man would have hated him.

“Nothing to say to that?”

“You just confirmed something I already knew.” He strokes her back lightly. “I guess I just wanted to hear it from you.”

Idiot, she muses affectionately, lightly pinching his chest and amused by his hiss. “For what it’s worth,” she says lightly, smiling, “I like you a lot.”

He laughs softly at that, his hand moving up to run through her hair, and Rin purrs and curls tighter against him, figuring that yes, there’s nothing wrong with staying this way for the rest of her life, if she somehow can.

“Just like?”

She smiles, and this time she nips lightly at his neck, thrilled by the soft gasp Shirou releases, the way he shudders at the sensation and holds her tighter.

“Don’t push it.”

[Moczo]

Originally Posted by RadiantBeam

Random update. Rin/Shirou short, post UBW True. Brief mention of Sakura, but mostly Rin-centric, with focus on her father and Shirou.

Tagline: In her life, Tohsaka Rin only loved two men.

Spoiler for The Art of Falling In Love:

The first man Tohsaka Rin loved was a man who, in her opinion, was one of the greatest magi to ever live. He followed the code and supported his ideals right until the very end; touched by him as a child, she chased desperately after his shadow until she was seventeen, tried her hardest to follow in his footsteps and become the magus he had been, the magus he had trained her to be.

The first man Tohsaka Rin ever loved was her father, and she never got over him.

It was an innocent love, in the way of children; not the love of a woman to a man, not even the love of a girl to a boy. It was the love of a daughter to her father, the love of a child who idolized an adult. She had been young, and innocent, and at the time all she had known on that day was that he wouldn’t come back. And she had loved him anyway, even knowing that, even when she went up to her room, locked the door, and wept into her pillow for two hours, later resolving to never cry again because if he had been there, he would have scolded her.

When Rin was older, she learned of the flaws that came with the man she had loved. She learned that being a magus first, while it had suited him fine, was a poor fit for her personality and self; she learned that he had been a horrible, horrible judge of character, and cursed the fact that he had somewhat passed that flaw onto her.

But the greatest flaw of the man she had loved, the only true sin he had probably ever committed in his life, was lost to her until the night she saw it burned into her sister’s skin. The night she had spent at the Matou mansion, crying, covered in blood from her sister’s nails, trying her best to heal her sister’s pain and hold her close as she screamed and thrashed, was the night Rin learned that the man she had loved with all her heart was a man who had sentenced her sister to Hell.

She knew this now, at seventeen. Her father hadn’t been perfect; he hadn’t been the shining, white knight she had held up on a pedestal, the perfect magus she had chased after for as long as she could remember.

She loved him anyway. Even when morning came and she groggily opened her eyes, her sister whimpering in her sleep and snuggling even more tightly into her arms, she knew she still loved him. Yes, he had been a flawed man, he had committed many wrongs. She could never deny that.

But he had been her father, and she had loved him from childhood. To give up that love now was to cut out a piece of her heart and leaving it bleeding somewhere alone and cold.

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The second man Tohsaka Rin loved hadn’t even been a man when she met him; he was just a boy, a boy with a heart of gold and a stubborn streak that put her own to shame. He chased after his ideals full speed, never looking back. Sometimes Rin felt that even if she sprinted as fast as she could, she could never keep up with the boy, even if she poured all of her heart and soul into it.

The second man Tohsaka Rin ever loved was Emiya Shirou, and he was the man she would eventually die beside.

It started out as most romances did; a crush. Seeing the boy from a distance, admiring him, and then realizing he was in her school, which led to mild interaction. It wasn’t until the Holy Grail War that it shifted; that admiration deepened into friendship, and friendship eventually became true, honest love. She had seen the boy that was Shirou, had seen the man he could become that was Archer, and was shocked to realize that knowing this only made her love the boy more, even as she did her best during the War to save the man. In the end, the man was lost, and she was left with the boy.

Unlike her father, it didn’t take long for Rin to pick up on the fact that Shirou had one huge, glaring, obvious flaw beyond his mile wide stubborn streak: even after the War, he was simply far too nice for his own good. He may have accepted how impossible his ideals were, and had learned to value his own life because if he didn’t, his girlfriend would beat him, but at his core, Shirou was still far too kind, and still had a bad tendency of valuing the life of others over his own. It was a flaw he would never be without, and to be honest, Rin had to admit that even when the flaw annoyed her to her last wit, it was still part of what she loved so much about the boy.

The same age as she was, Shirou was far from being the ideal lover, even when they had been together for some time. He was often rough when they were alone in bed, something she secretly enjoyed but always scolded him for; he hardly knew how to react, if he did at all, to times when she felt oddly affectionate towards him, either at his house or in school when they were alone. He still seemed to enjoy teasing her far too much for his own good, even when she found a way to return the favor.

And, if Rin was honest with herself, she knew that was part of the fun.

He wasn’t perfect; he was perhaps the one boy who suited her well, but certainly not the boy who suited her the best. Life with him would never be easy, or quick, or simple. Life with him would often be hard, sometimes very rough, and even more often it would be complicated and quite possibly painful. It was no secret that if Rin wanted, she could have a boy who had more of her mindset, who licked her very hand if she commanded it.

But if there was one thing Shirou had over every boy who had ever chased after her, it was that he knew her; not only the top student that the others saw in school. He knew the cold magus who tried so hard to suppress her heart, he knew the girl who he teasingly called ‘demon’ and enjoyed playing pranks on him, he knew the Master who had grieved for the death of her Servant even when the War had ended.

And he knew the girl who had come home to him that afternoon, pale and covered in blood, and had held her tightly in his arms, stroking her hair and whispering when she had collapsed into his chest, sobbing out her anger and frustration.

Loving Shirou would never be easy, but then again, Rin would have been very, very bored if life had been easy.

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“Would your father have liked me?”

He asks it one night, in the dark; she is snuggled on his chest, gently tracing small patterns on his skin as her hair spills around them both. They’re both still warm and a little sweaty from sex, covered only by the sheet of his futon; they both know tomorrow morning there will be trouble, since she’s never stayed the night before, and Taiga doesn’t know yet that they’re dating.

But he asked her to stay, softly and with gentle eyes, and she said yes.

Rin doesn’t even need to think about it. “He would have despised you,” she says with a soft laugh, shifting to look into his golden eyes. “You’re everything he always taught me to not be.”

Shirou snorts; there is no anger or sadness in the sound. He never knew Rin’s father personally, but he has seen the impact he had on the girl he loves, and he knows the man would have hated him.

“Nothing to say to that?”

“You just confirmed something I already knew.” He strokes her back lightly. “I guess I just wanted to hear it from you.”

Idiot, she muses affectionately, lightly pinching his chest and amused by his hiss. “For what it’s worth,” she says lightly, smiling, “I like you a lot.”

He laughs softly at that, his hand moving up to run through her hair, and Rin purrs and curls tighter against him, figuring that yes, there’s nothing wrong with staying this way for the rest of her life, if she somehow can.

“Just like?”

She smiles, and this time she nips lightly at his neck, thrilled by the soft gasp Shirou releases, the way he shudders at the sensation and holds her tighter.

“Don’t push it.”

Very nice as usual RB. A really cute look into Rin's emotional state, particularly in the portions focusing on Shirou. The parts about her father are... well, less cute, obviously, but I like that you didn't take the 'easy way' out, and went the distance to show that yes, she still loves him even after growing up to realize what a deeply flawed man he really was. It really helps add a lot of depth to the character (painful depths, obviously, but this is you we're talking about ). And then ending made me chuckle; she's loved two men in her life, and if you put them in a room together, they would beat each other to a bloody pulp. Yup, that sounds like Rin's usual judgment .

Not bad, not bad at all!