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2011-12-18, 20:57 | Link #1202 |
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I stayed up late to finish it last night, and for the most part, I loved it. I'd spoiled myself enough to know we weren't getting any answers, and I had more than enough time to come to terms with that and appreciate the story for what it was. Glorious Lambdadelta, a surprisingly awesome Erica, an entertaining tale all around.
The only thing that really irritates me is that I don't feel like Kanon was explained at all. Stupid though it may be, I've accepted that Shkanon is the truth. I'll even accept that everyone is clueness enough not to realize they're the same person. But we never really got a reason for Kanon apart from the "little brother" thing. There are the theories about mutilated genitals and gender identity issues, but I don't feel like we really got much of that in the game, and it mostly feels like he existed for the sake of tricking the reader. Which makes the Kanon/Jessica stuff feel pointless. There's actually a line in one of the games- Alliance, maybe? About Beatrice discovering the "perfect closed room trick". And I can see how Yasu might've posed as a boy for Jessica's school festival, thought "hey, this would be awesome to use in a murder mystery story", and made it a part of hers. I just don't get Kanon/Jessica or the love duels or anything like that. I felt like Shannontrice was more than sufficiently explained, which makes it weirder. Troll Ryūkishi, I suppose. This might be better suited for the interpretations thread. |
2011-12-19, 04:05 | Link #1203 |
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So, the 5th Character Poll was run in February, 2011, two months after the release of Umineko EP8. It's long since closed now but the people just finishing up the English version may recall what Lambdadelta said near the end of the game.
Here were the results: http://when-they-cry.net/Cgi/vote/umi8/vote_end.html :3 |
2011-12-19, 08:40 | Link #1211 |
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I'd say half-right half-paranoid. A witch of truth seems to be someone who after gathering evidences and using them for her reasoning elevates the most probable deduction to "red truth" even if there are still reasonable doubts.
This is at least what you can get from EP5 and from the battle Erika had with Dlanor in EP6. So Ange's logic was sound, but no matter how probable it was for her to be right, there was still a chance Amakusa wouldn't kill her. None of his reactions really prove anything. Even if he didn't plan to kill her, he was still being targeted by an unstable girl with a gun who was seeing him as her potential killer. He probably didn't think he could make her change her mind with words alone. Captain Kawabata's case is however was a lot less likely to be true, even Ange realized that it was a catbox, but she decided to kill him nonetheless in order to kill "the part of him that betrayed her", uncaring of the fact that by doing so she also killed "the part of him that was innocent". As for what was the truth of that whole case... is there even a truth, I wonder? Is that event even canon in some world or just a what if scenario? Episode4 suggests that everything would have gone as Ange predicted, but the part where Amakusa kills her, or lets her be killed is still a catbox. The ending scroll says that she died, but how? Did she die in Rokkenjima in front of her aunt, or did she die by falling from a skyscraper? As for Kawabata. I think the odds are that he's innocent. We don't really have any real proof nor the slightest evidence to think he was bribed. The delay is a moot point. The sumadera should have been a lot faster than Ange and her bodyguard seeing as how they directly went to Rokkenjima with an airplane.
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2011-12-19, 16:42 | Link #1215 |
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Finally finished it, and against all my expectations, I ended up having no regrets at all
(save for wanting to read the Our Confession book). Ryukishi really did a great job rounding of Umineko in a way that felt completely natural for the series. I just finished the Tea-parties. In regards to interpretations of the two. I take the scene with Battler and Beato escaping in a quite literal way, except I see it as Yasu using the ingot as extra weight so that Battler wouldn't manage to save her, of course he still tried his best and ended up falling unconscious and drifting to shore. The very last scene in the Fukuin house, I interpret as Battler finally regaining his self. I think it's a sound way to look at things? |
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2011-12-19, 17:07 | Link #1217 |
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Totally unrelated to the previous posts, but I still don't fully buy Dlanor's sudden and complete change of heart towards Erika in the Battle for the Golden Land after caring for and supporting her as a close friend so much at the end of EP6. And in the EP8 Tea Party they even happily exchange letters again, so...
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2011-12-19, 17:10 | Link #1218 | |
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2011-12-19, 17:20 | Link #1219 | |
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2011-12-19, 18:08 | Link #1220 | |
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so the ingot just disappearing didn't make sense from the magic perspective we where shown either. To further that thinking, if we where to take Battler and Beato's 'I've sinned/you haven't killed in our world (or however that went)' lines literally. I'd say that would point to something like the EP7 sibling fight happening with Yasu not actually killing anybody, but expressing guilt in regards to her plans of doing so. Trying to take Umineko too literally is a dangerous thing though... |
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