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But the point is that he didn't need to confront an armed Beatrice at all. Because beatrice's plan involves herself to play as her normal self in front of Battler, there were like a shitton of chances for any accomplice to ovewpower her without any risk involved throughout the many episodes. Quote:
That still isn't a perfect plan because any member of the squad could have said "screw it I'm a professional, I'll do my job" to Genji and spill the beans to Krauss. But it isn't entirely impossible that they'd choose the money instead. The idea that they didn't find a thing, however, is absolutely implausible. Quote:
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2012-09-14, 13:55 | Link #30582 | |
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Anyway, the family not knowing about it before the explosion could be Genji's meddling, Kinzo's meddling (before his death) the reluctance of the siblings to go around the island to forbiden places by their father or a weird combination of both.
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2012-09-14, 14:26 | Link #30584 | |
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If the survey doesn't show Kuwadorian, somebody at that company is in serious trouble, because there's no explanation for missing it.
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2012-09-14, 14:28 | Link #30585 | ||
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Kuwadorian is mentioned multiple times from the 1998 perspective in EP4
First Okonogi states that Eva was found inside Kuwadorian by the rescue squad. Then Ootsuki when he talks about the many books of occultism that Eva sold, explains that they were all retrieved from Kuwadorian. From EP8 then Yukari already knows about Kuwadorian, even if she shouldn't have talked to Kawabata in that world. Quote:
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But let's even suppose (I don't know how) the police came to know that Krauss requested for the island to be explored by them. Who could prove that they didn't honestly tell him everything? Who could prove that they didn't erase any documents about that because Krauss explicitly asked them to do so? Is there any law that forbids that? All that is required is the contract that proves that they provided the service and that he paid for that.
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2012-09-14, 14:56 | Link #30587 | |
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2012-09-14, 15:14 | Link #30588 |
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Yeah. Still, I wonder if Eva didn't try coming back for the gold. Then I realized that it being illegal would make recover it a real pain in the ass. So maybe in the next no Naku Koro Ni the protagonist will find the gold like that scandal of spanish pirate treasure that was found not long time ago.
Would be pretty stupid, but I like it anyway
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2012-09-14, 16:01 | Link #30589 | |
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So they'd provably have committed some kind of fraud, and might have arguably been party to the deaths themselves if they knew about a safe location and didn't divulge it to the guy who owned the island.
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2012-09-14, 16:16 | Link #30590 | |
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Or maybe they tried to say it to them, but Genji/Kinzo used their magic to make them forget. Nanjo lost his memory of Beatrice Cas. for one bar of gold, after all... And Kinzo didn't really care for the money so he was all from investing his money to block his stupid son that took him for senile. I mean, you'd have to be really crazy to not notice Krauss digging holes in the island and sending search parties for you most cared secret and treasure.
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2012-09-14, 16:37 | Link #30591 | |
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I remember an old discussion with Oliver where he stated that in such an explosion the gold would most likely vaporize into a billion of little fragments. Still, gold cannot simply vanish, there should be ten tons worth of gold in a huge radius all around the explosion, including the sea floor. It'd probably be a hassle to recover it all but I think the gain would offset the expenses in the long run. Even so there was no mention whatsoever of the gold being retrieved or about gold fragments being found.
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There's plenty of people that go along when blackmailed in the world, but the setting presented is terribly unconvincing. The Ushiromiya aren't being blackmailed by a criminal gang that's keeping a gun pointed against Jessica's head in some secret hideout while observing every single move they do. Hell, the blackmailing looks almost like a magic scene in it's implausibility. A Shannon with a gun in a Beatrice dress doesn't look as an adversary you can't overcome and all they do to avoid the explosive is escape. That's true they might lose the money but they have no proof Shannon really converted the gold in cash. Actually it's not so easy to do it since among the siblings the only one who could do it was Krauss. Quote:
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2012-09-14, 19:32 | Link #30593 | |
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I restored the originally bolded parts of the text; if you go back it should be a bit easier to read now.
---------------------- About escape into the forest. It is in a typhoon in the dark, which is quite a different situation than when young Rosa went there, so there is that to consider. But even still, it's weird that the idea never even came up (well, I suppose it may have been part of that "omitted" section). The phrase "no options" came up more than once. ---------------------- About Krauss's survey and the Kuwadorian. What reasons do we have to think Krauss didn't learn about it? Quote:
The part omitted was about convincing Krauss and Natsuhi of the existence of the bomb. It seems to have mostly covered the shrine's destruction as a test of the explosives, and Genji corroborating the whole story in general. And the other source I have seems to be missing (at least) one page related to this, too, so I'm stuck on this part. Oh hoh hoh! Now that sounds like a true Umineko forgery! |
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2012-09-14, 19:41 | Link #30594 | |
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Someone said something about not finding the gold. It's actually weird, that they found Maria's jaw but not a single piece of gold. I don't have the slightest, so what happens when gold is exploded? Does it melt, fragment or what? It doesn't evaporate, that's really ridiculous, but... Now that I think about it, it was foolish of me even thinking about Eva going after the gold. it would be pretty sick. something like 'Search for gold in here! and if you find a piece of my husband or son let me know, k?'
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2012-09-14, 19:59 | Link #30595 |
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Considering the force of an explosion powerful enough to erase a chunk of an island... and also the fact that the gold is pretty close to the explosives... I'd say at least part of it melted and then became a giant blob of gold, under another ton of debris, that is.
But it was underground, and the location of the gold room was a secret, so the police probably only investigated the known buildings (the mansion, the chapel, the guesthouse and Kuwadorian).
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2012-09-14, 20:12 | Link #30596 | |
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Anyway according to EP4 Eva had a lot of financial problems soon after the accident, and that means that the bank chip with 1 billion yen is most probably a big fat lie. That however doesn't tell us much about the existence of the gold itself because it's simply possible that she couldn't retrieve it or sell.
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2012-09-14, 20:20 | Link #30597 |
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Yeah, but we know for sure that Yasu really sent money to people like Chiyo's son. The 1 billion yen card might be true.
Think about it: your husband's financial situation was bad, and the accident attracted a lot of attention from the media. Would you use the card right away when it would raise suspicion and make the gossip and conspiration theories worse?
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2012-09-14, 22:16 | Link #30598 |
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Well, I don't know, but could it have been possible that some assets may have been frozen for a while during the investigation? Until they were certain that Eva had the rights to it or something like that? But I like Grabrielios' explanation too...
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2012-09-14, 23:50 | Link #30599 |
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According to what is said in EP4 the gossip and conspirations didn't really start until the second message in the bottle was found, several years later.
So the only reason for Eva to keep a low profile would be to prevent the police from inquiring. Still that money was completely irretraceable, I'd think someone like Eva who showed to be a real shark in the finance world would find a way to use that money without drawing direct suspicions on herself. She wouldn't really be the first magnate who inexplicably got a huge amount of money "out of nowhere" anyway.
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"Well okay, but we WILL NOT be party to some strange incident." "No problem them. I just want you to play a part is an elaborate murder mystery scenario as I off your siblings one by one." "Well I guess there isn't anything too strange about that." Quote:
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