2009-04-14, 22:15 | Link #81 |
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Really, Crunchy is crayola-ing just as fast as they can.... :P
So far, my take is that it isn't a bad *idea* (their business plan) but their technical execution is pretty amateurish to want to play "professional" so far....
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2009-04-14, 22:35 | Link #82 | ||
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2009-04-14, 22:44 | Link #83 | |
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2009-04-14, 22:58 | Link #84 | |
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Thankfully, the music industry has recently conformed as well (before it was split with surnames appearing randomly). That is now history. Spoiler for music:
and just fyi Crunchyroll has been doing Hayate no Gotoku!! 2nd season surname last as well.
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2009-04-14, 23:32 | Link #85 | ||
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Downloading off bittorrent would consume more bandwidth because you're both uploading and downloading. So if you seed to 1.0, it would essentially be equivalent to watching the same thing streaming twice (unless your ISP throttles uploads more strictly than downloads). Direct download or IRC, however, would consume the same amount of bandwidth as streaming. |
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2009-04-15, 01:54 | Link #87 | |
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2) Yeah, they're using h.264 ... but then a driver who is competent in a Volkswagen is not necessarily good at driving a Porsche. CR either fails at encoding or they're getting crappy source (haven't really dug into it) but the result is rather choppy no matter how good the computer is. If I'm paying money for the transmission, that's really not acceptable. However, if they're mostly trying to snare the "watches it on low-quality Youtube" crowd then I'm not their target of interest (a shame since I'm very likely to *buy* DVDs of what I like). (Using Saki as my test case comparing CR to a raw to a particular fansub)
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2009-04-15, 06:04 | Link #90 | |
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I saw this on ANN and it seemed relevant to the discussion. Firstly in their spring preview ANN was already doing this for free so I'm guessing that they must be getting desperate for subscriptions. (That's possibly where they got the idea from too.) I can see this blowing back up in their face when people realize what a crummy deal it is plus it takes away from the non-corporate image they try and maintain on the site. Quote:
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2009-04-15, 14:30 | Link #92 |
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@0utf0xZer0: Though your PC may handle other 720p files just fine, you aren't taking into account Flash. Adobe is notorious for having high memory programs and Flash isn't an exception. It'll eat up a lot of your CPU and RAM, compared to a MPC or Mplayer.
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2009-04-16, 15:31 | Link #95 | ||
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I'm pointing to the files currently under debate: CR's 720p releases. Here - according to my knowledge, correct me if I'm wrong - HorribleSubs is capturing the very same video that CR is streaming, and the files end up ~270-300 megs, pretty close to what fansubs are using. And the 480p streams are also between ~150-200 megs, also in fansub range. Of course, other LQ streams particularly in the past went really down to the cellar (in both filesize AND video quality), but the still-existing video quality gap can not be excused with mere bitrate issues anymore. No, particularly the jerkiness is simply caused by incompetent encoding (and based on what I heard, it seems that not CR is to blame for that, but rather TV Tokyo), since they screw up IVTC. Among other things, like ramping saturation into the heavens, giving frames a near-radioactive glow in some spots. But alas... Sorry if I sound annoyed here, but I actually wouldn't mind to see CR succeed with certain changes in the service (particularly download-to-own), and it simply irritates me a great deal to see so-called "professional" work make mistakes that most encoder rookies stopped doing 4 years ago. It's a matter of "taking pride in your work". |
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2009-04-16, 16:45 | Link #96 | |
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Looking at the CR stuff, it has gone from 120mb->150mb for SD and the average SD fansub is 175-200mb now. |
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2009-04-16, 20:12 | Link #98 | |
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Actually, the free H.264 streams did the exact same thing with the exception of if I used IE7 on one of my test machines, in which case I was pulling maybe 40-50%. I also noticed that something about that browser on that computer broke CR's banner ads and prevented them from displaying, which may play some role. Anyone else have this sorts of issues, or are my Flash installs really screwed up? Regarding bandwidth caps, I think whether it would be an influencing factor on people's decisions would depend on how severe the caps are. If they're as severe as those TWC proposes it might make some people who only know how to get anime via bittorrent switch, because TWC's proposed bandwidth rates are designed to totally and utterly gauge their customers. If you're talking bandwidth caps more like what some Canadian ISPs typically use, which actually are designed to target mainly ultra high bandwidth users, then it's not going to make much difference because the typical fansub downloader won't come anywhere near the bandwidth usage of the people being targetted. |
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No, it is not. That is - it might very well be that local CPU shortage leads to extra problems, but the jerkiness has a different reason.
(Reviewing the HorribleSubs version of Hayate no Gotoku 1 under the assumption, that the video is a true 1:1 representation of the CR stream, simply muxed into a new container) Quick theory recap: Since the original footage comes in the form of 29.97fps Interlaced, but for a smooth playback we want 23.976 fps Progressive (non-interlaced), since this is what the animation itself is created in, we need to do two things: 1) Matching the interlaced fields (to turn interlaced frames into progressive frames) 2) Decimating the resulting progressive frames (to change the framerate from 29.97 to 23.976) This process is called IVTC (InVerse TeleCine). Here, the CR video does 1) correctly, but often fails at 2). Example: The easiest thing is to imagine a pan from left to right. For simplicity's sake, let's assume that the pan is linear and with each frame, the picture horizontally shifts by 10 pixels. This is how it would be done correctly: (m = live frame with movement, d = duplicate) Code:
m m m m d m m m m d m m m m d m m m m d 10 30 40 50 70 80 90 110 120 130 150 160 20 40 60 80 100 120 140 160 Code:
m m m m X m m m m X m m m m X m m m m X 10 30 50 70 90 110 130 150 20 40 60 80 100 120 140 160 Code:
m m X m d m m X m d m m X m d m m X m d 10 40 50 80 90 120 130 160 20 40 60 80 100 120 140 160 To me it seems that whoever encodes for the CR release (I've been told it's TV Tokyo themselves) doesn't apply proper decimation filters that try to identify the frame with the least movement, but rather do "blind decimation" - simply removing one frame out of the stream without looking whether or not it's the right one. This would explain the problem above, and also why every once in a while a pan is smooth (by pure luck they're decimating the right one) and the next one a jerkfest again. Last edited by Mentar; 2009-04-17 at 02:23. Reason: Added Code-pages to improve readability |
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