[MANGA] Bleach Chapter 456 Discussion

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*chapter released*[QUOTE]

[Chiisai Kuma]

new chpt has been out for the last hour. *is squeelng in delight as is reading it right now*
*5 min later*........ i hate you kubo. ¬_¬

[Aqua Knight]

Same here, I read the chapter in like 1 minute.

[Kallen4life]

that big color front page with Yoruichi & Soi Fon under the table is epic

rest is meh

[ShiroiRyu]

So i'm the only one who thought this chapter is better than the Naruto and One Piece ones ? XD
Ok ... I don't know what is wrong with me.

[james0246]

So, is there a reason Renji killed Rukia with a shish kabob in the colour page? (Rukia's look of surprise at her sudden death is quite comical...)

[leon4281isback]

Oh Boy, sure Tsuki's ability looks deviously intresting, but what does he want with Ichigo? And whatever happening with Isshin and Urahara is taking a pretty long time.....

all I know is that this needs to end before it gets even more worse than it is right now for ichigo.

[Shinn Kamiyra]

Oh sure, Ichigo, instead of being a real friend and taking your friends out of the fight early on, let them beat the crap out of you and go blindly charging at Tsukishima every chance you get.

Why must you make it so hard to have faith in you, Kubo? ...Why?

[Slayerx]

ouch that was stupid...
First Tsukishima's abilities... He claims he altered their very past, but how can you alter one person's past without altering everyone else's past? Really all he is truthfully doing is alterting their memory just to an ungodly level since he altering since the day they were born. Kubo its just trying to make his ability needlessly complicated so he can make it sound like he's doing something unique. I mean, in Fairy Tail, Mest did basically the same thing with the only difference being that his ability was easy to break and not as thorough... hmm, come to think of it that's not the first time Kubo did this. I mean Kubo could have just said ginjo was using telekenisis on that water, but went with the whole "moving the soul of the water" thing... and Orhime could have just been rewinding time and not the rejection of god; didn't make any difference but made it sound more interesting...

Second there is the most obvious counter Ichigo could use for this... simply invite Chad and Orihime to come with him on a trip to Soul Society where the captains can tell them they have never seen or heard of this guy. Hell he can even manipulate the situation saying that if Tsukishime is such a good and innocent guy he should have no reason to stop them. Hell two people we have yet to check on is urahara and Isshin, and if they haven't been stabbed yet then they could also help expose the truth of this situation.

But the most annoying thing about all of this... Tsuikshima just explained to EVERYBODY in the room what his ability does, telling them all how he has the ability to alter the pasts of everyone else. Chad, orhime and the rest are looking at Ichigo and Ginjo like they are crazy and yet Tsukishima practically ADMITTED they were right. Shouldn't there been some redflags rising about now... "Ichigo wants to kill our good friend, saying he is the enemy... and our friend just said he has the ability to alter the past of other people... wait, could it be that Tsukishima used his past altering abilities on US and that's why ichigo is trying to kill him!? could it really be us who is crazy and being manipulated?!" Honestly, the logic is not rally that hard.

[haegar]

Originally Posted by Kallen4life

that big color front page with Yoruichi & Soi Fon under the table is epic

rest is meh

accurate summary

Originally Posted by james0246

So, is there a reason Renji killed Rukia with a shish kabob in the colour page? (Rukia's look of surprise at her sudden death is quite comical...)

and that is a valid question another one would be what were Yoruichi and Soifon doing under the table - and why did Kon seem to take interest?

Anyways, I forsee "End of the Bond part 3-10" following - so that Ichigo can take his time crying like a sissy and mindlessly rushing in as usual while second rate sidekick characters get their OMG-Ginjou-is-afraid-of-it-Fullbring showcased and allthewhile we are kindly kept in the dark on anything substantial regarding Dad and Urahara...

*re-enters bleach lurk mode* YOU WILL NOT FURTHER TROLL ME KUBO

[leon4281isback]

Hope it's not that long, yeah Ichigo's losing it, but why let it even go on longer when it will obviously be known that Ichigo will lose focus and let his friends kick him around a bit? A few more questions haven't been answered yet nor what's going on with Kisuke and Isshin. Maybe something will come out on the later chapters but some things have to end sooner than much later.

[james0246]

Originally Posted by Slayerx

First Tsukishima's abilities... He claims he altered their very past, but how can you alter one person's past without altering everyone else's past? Really all he is truthfully doing is alterting their memory just to an ungodly level since he altering since the day they were born.

It is far more than simply altering their memory. Tsukishima has so thoroughly inserted himself into the characters minds and psyche that they literally can perceive no reality without him. It would be like a second writer going through all the copies of Hamlet, except for one, and inserting the character Bob into every scene (with Hamlet), effectively rewriting the entire play creating something new and different. That is what Tsukishima has done. It is not simply altering their memories, but almost literally forcing the victims to relive their lives only with Tsukishima present.

[Endscape]

Originally Posted by james0246

It is far more than simply altering their memory. Tsukishima has so thoroughly inserted himself into the characters minds and psyche that they literally can perceive no reality without him. It would be like a second writer going through Hamlet and inserting the character Bob into every scene (with Hamlet), effectively rewriting the entire play creating something new and different. That is what Tsukishima has done. It is not simply altering their memories, but almost literally forcing the victims to relive their lives only with Tsukishima present.

True. If it were simply memory alteration they would notice the discrepancies. What Tsukishima is doing is literally putting himself into their minds and having their memories change to compensate. I wonder how far it goes though. If, for example, someone affected by Tsukishima were to look at some physical evidence of the past that they supposedly shared with Tsukishima, like a pic would they see Tsukisima in there as well?

Anyway, this chapter didn't do much but was quite good in a certain way. Tsukishima's manipulations continue to impress me. He would make a scary ass interrogator.

[Aqua Knight]

How the hell did Inoue or Chad see Aizen's new forms ans said " Tsukishima helped us to defeat Aizen"? That was a really dirty trick. Ichigo sacrificed his powers to defeat Aizen and save his nakama,but now not only his friends betray him, but his victory/triumph is taken away from him. I'd really be angry.

[Somnus]

I read this simply because it's on the site I read the latest chapters for JUMP on. How is Bleach still running?

[kakakka]

Originally Posted by Slayerx

But the most annoying thing about all of this... Tsuikshima just explained to EVERYBODY in the room what his ability does....

He was outside the room, when everybody was inside.

[Alchemist007]

So KT draws to his enjoyment some more this chap...I'm just waiting for someone else to show up and smack some sense into Ichigo. The best thing to do now would be retreat, but this was supposed to be the final confrontation right..or just the location being introduced. Aw hell.

[Sabaku Kyu]

Originally Posted by Slayerx

Second there is the most obvious counter Ichigo could use for this... simply invite Chad and Orihime to come with him on a trip to Soul Society where the captains can tell them they have never seen or heard of this guy. Hell he can even manipulate the situation saying that if Tsukishime is such a good and innocent guy he should have no reason to stop them. Hell two people we have yet to check on is urahara and Isshin, and if they haven't been stabbed yet then they could also help expose the truth of this situation.

Take a trip to SS...how? The only way he could get there is to find Urahara and have him open a senkaimon. But if he could simply find Urahara his problem would be solved because, well, he shouldn't have any recollection of Tsukishima either.

And even if that happened, depending how strong Tsukishima's hold over them is Ichigo's friends might not be lead to believe that Tsukishima has inserted himself into their memories but that everyone else's memories have of him have somehow been been erased.

Originally Posted by Murasaki

Same here, I read the chapter in like 1 minute.

No offense, but posts like these have become a little tiresome. Last few weeks, there's all these posts about how someone read the chapter in "1 minute". First of all, anyone can easily breeze through any WSJ story in a minute, especially if they're eager to post about how fast they read it. The pace at which you read is not proof of anything.

Second, manga/comics depend on pictures as well as words. Just because there are no words on a panel, doesn't mean that panel is a waste of space. Actions, facial expressions, even pauses in conversation are part of a story as well.

Bleach tends to be really sparse when it comes to text, but this one actually had pretty normal amount of dialogue. If you want more text, then I'd recommend reading a novel.

[Chiisai Kuma]

i was so sure rukia would appear around the last 5 pages, great colour image tho at the start. (ichigos b-day in 3days) btw could any1 translate the writing on the big colour image?

[Mr. DJ]

Originally Posted by Sabaku Kyu

No offense, but posts like these have become a little tiresome. Last few weeks, there's all these posts about how someone read the chapter in "1 minute". First of all, anyone can easily breeze through any WSJ story in a minute, especially if they're eager to post about how fast they read it. The pace at which you read is not proof of anything.

oh poppycock I feel disappointed most of the time these days after finishing a chapter w/ the question,"that's all?" and saying, "god dammit Kubo..."