2010-07-25, 13:36 | Link #541 |
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Fukitsu while I thank you for defending me...when I read that post I thought it was directed at kenshin...:/
I take no personal offense for anything these two(cyclone and kenshin) numbskulls said in their argument or in that they started because of my post. I feel obligated however to tell you that I am promptly staying out of it because it has apparently ended on its own: kenshin is talking about the game and so am I. Forget about it let's just move to something worth talking about
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2010-07-25, 14:15 | Link #542 | |
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-Actually looking back, the Destroyer has not shown any regard for devouring things at all. It shows no sense of self or any other form of intelligence. Maybe that's why Clare can cause it to attack Priscilla and possibly tame it?
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2010-07-25, 14:16 | Link #543 | |
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When Prissy murdered Teresa she had obviously already losed her mind,negating this is pure nonsense imo. |
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2010-07-25, 14:25 | Link #544 |
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-Granted but its not like Priscilla was mentaly stable to begin with. Even when working with the Organization she showed a very inflexible (black and white) view on all things, which bordered on fanaticism. It only got worse because she could not accept her defeat at Teresa's hands (someone she considered evil) which was the trigger to her awakening.
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2010-07-25, 14:31 | Link #545 | |
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And anyway before fear triggered her instability she was quite normal (a bit obsessed with juistice,but nothing really crazy). |
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2010-07-25, 15:00 | Link #546 |
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-Define "saved". I mean, do you want her to recover her senses somehow and join with the Ghosts against the Organization or do you want her fate to be similar to Ophelia? Or do you want her final act of redemption (if it is possible) to come from self-sacrifice after coming to terms with what she's done? Victim though she may well be, one cannot deny she ended a lot of lives (off screen), so its a bit of a mixed bag.
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2010-07-25, 15:33 | Link #547 |
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Imo it doesn't really matter how she'll be saved (IF she'll be saved),my point is that even if her awakend being is evil (well,from an human point of veiw,afterall even as an AB Yagi has never shown her attack first.....and about the humans that she eats,well she has to eat to survive.....) i can't see her as a completely evil being 'cause imo she has an innocent side as well.
It's true that she ended a lot of lives,but she did so in awakend form,so if Claire hypothetically menages to turn her back from her awakening i think she deserves a second chance. Even Claire or anyone in the ghosts if awaken could kill a lot of people,but that doesn't make them necessarily evil IMO. |
2010-07-25, 15:39 | Link #548 |
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well yagi blurring the boundaries between good and evil has always been on of the points I liked a lot about claymore in general. I have every confidence he'll keep on twisting that angle in ever surpising new ways when it comes to finally resolving the clare/prissy clash.
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Discussing this with you has become rather unpleasant since you seem to be unrelenting with your silly "holier than thou" & "thou should do so-and-so" stances. In these past few posts, I have not stated why I dislike Raki, nor do I care to (as people who's opinions I actually respect would probably not enjoy me re-treading over that old ground again - we've covered that in some of the chapter threads where Raki actually appeared, and have agreed to disagree). Thus, since I'm not presenting any facts, finding holes in my argument should not be that difficult for anybody (congratulations - well done!). As for the validity of my views that you seem so concerned about (thank you - how terribly sweet of you)... I tried to be delicate in my previous post, but if I must say it, then fine: I simply don't care what YOU think of my views or if you think they are valid. People who know me here have had a long enough track record with my posts that they have made up their minds about my posts long ago, and it's their views I value - not yours (yet). Quote:
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Uh huh... yes dear! I'll be sure to ask for permission first next time. Since you seem to be giving me so many fine pointers from what I'm sure is your rich life experience about how I should live my life and how I should interact with other people, I'd feel amiss to not try to reciprocate by sharing some of my own admittedly limited experience. Clearly, it'll not be up to your level, but, alas: "Don't give people you don't know the power to offend you". I found it to serve me well in university, grad school, and during my working life now too. |
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2010-07-25, 15:51 | Link #550 |
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I take it the Raki hater vs. Raki lover war is back on then. Tis a shame. I had hoped me and Haegar could discuss something else like what the heck is going on in Rabona, why we deserve more Miria/Galatea nude bath scenes, and how to convince manga publishers they're going about it all wrong. I guess you can't always have what you want.
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Oh, I'd be more than happy to end it. I'm not planning on replying again.
Personally, I find it a travesty that chapter 100 was not a full color Galatea-sama swimsuit issue, and that Galatea-sama appeared so little in the artbook. I think Duff appeared more times than her. Sometimes I think Yagi-sensei under appreciates her. |
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2010-07-25, 16:14 | Link #555 | |
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doh. I missed that catastrophic blunder so far. NOW, for the first time, I am rly vexed with yagi. How can he have the indecency to put Dauff's butt over Galatea's cahrming features? That is Kubo style fan-trolling Well, nontheless will order the artbook as soon as I have some cash to spare XD
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2010-07-25, 16:17 | Link #556 |
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-Sadly that way of thinking if often said by the more dominant party. If cows could strike back, you can bet we'd be on their massive hit-list. Granted we never do see ABs feed on humans (on screen anyway), but regardless they seem to really attack "live" pray and eat them in that state. In the end, it really all falls upon perspective. But I think ABs are a bit more at fault because they can think and make decisions, just like humans. But if you masquerade as a human, then you might as well follow the rules of one.
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As the saying goes, "An elephant never forgets". You'll notice there tends to be a correlation between a creature's intelligence and us eating it. Oh sure, dogs get eaten in some cultures and are plenty smart, but many find that appalling. When people start treating animals like individuals instead of "mere animals", that's when you notice the morality difference. BTW, anyone ever notice there's hardly any wildlife in the Claymore world? Where are the deer? Heck, we haven't even seen cattle or cows have we? The only creatures aside from Dragonkin we've yet seen are horses. It makes you wonder if Awakened Beings would prefer cows over people. I know with the amount of meat involved, it would make sense to eat cows first. Perhaps they eat people because other food sources are unavailable.
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2010-07-25, 21:21 | Link #560 |
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Interesting....the Raki like/dislike thing took so long to finish.
Aaand i think I'll skip the whole Prissy issue as well...no point to talk about it at this point. (or maybe there is but hey we talk about that more or less every chapter...it's similar to the Teresa vs Prissy power level discussions back in the day...but it makes a lot more sense ) Despite it being interesting from personal experience so far everyone has their own opinion on this and it only leads to very long "debates" which for some might be fun (if it's fun for both sides there's no reason to hold back you might actually see something you never thought of yourself ) Clearly this wasn't the case here. Again no offence to anyone though I'm not quite sure how one can be offended by this in the first place. Anyways I perosnally don't see ABs eating people as evil. This again depends on your definition of evil so it probably differs with people. But the example with cows is really good. Everyone eats something and kills it in the process - that's how life works. So actually eating to stay alive is normal. Now killing random people/animals etc for fun is evil. Killing anything aside from the times you need to survive is evil. And I'm sure most people don't ever think about the cows they eat. I mean it's quite different when you have to kill it yourself. If you can avoid it I'm sure most would. Oh and I think the reason why elephants don't get killed that much is because they aren't a lot of them. Heck if we killed them for their tusks before we sure would kill them for food if we have to. Oh and an example of an evil AB would be Agatha. She's the first that comes to mind. Even her nick-name suggested she liked killing and it wasn't only for food. Also since we've only seen ABs and Yoma kill people that's probably their only food supply. There are a couple of reason for that the most convinient of them all being that the MiBs actually need a way to keep people in check. If ABs were eating cows in the remote regions of the island how would the whole project even work? What would Claymores even do? Kill half humasn half yomas that live in peace and grow plants? After all fear is the easiest way to control people. Also Claymores are implanted with youma flesh just above/around where "the guts" that get eaten are. There probably is a reason for that as well. So basically if your only food source are people even if you know they are, as revan put it "sentient beings" would you not eat them and die? Would you eat enough only to survive (Prissy and to some extent Riful and Isley) or would you eat until you can eat no more? Sure from a moral point of view you can say eating people s wrong but ehn it comes down to sruvival and you get really hungry it's a whole other story and you can't really be considered evil for surviving. Oh and before I forget, from the awakenings of Ophelia Prissy and Luciala we can say that after awakening there is intense hunger and they go on a rampage. probably because until that point they never felt hunger and they can't stand it. In other words they didn't destroy whole towns just for fun or because they wanted to. |
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