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Itatchi is the best genious to date, there are no comparisons. | 37 | 56.92% | |
Neji can compare to Itatchi, both are more of a genious than Sasuke. | 21 | 32.31% | |
Sasuke can compare to Itatchi, both are more of a genious than Neji. | 7 | 10.77% | |
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2006-11-18, 00:25 | Link #83 | |
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Sasuke didn't get the Sharingan when encountering Itachi. Or during the academy training [Itachi got his then] Or during stressful situations when fighting the demon brothers. Or for a large amount of time when fighting Haku. Everytime he's developed it was when he was fighting much stronger opponents and his sharingan became 'fully' developed after fighting opponents like Haku, Orochimaru and Kyuubi Naruto. Itachi on the other hand got it by the age of 8, just a year after entering the Academy =/ |
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2006-11-18, 06:08 | Link #84 |
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itachi got the sharingan at early age right like whne he was 8 years old. It means he went through of lot troulbles and more dangerous situation than sasuke to get his sharingan. i wonder wat situation could be or he faced orochimaro,,
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2006-11-18, 12:08 | Link #85 |
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What? What are you guys talking about? Your sharingan comes out when you' think you're in dangerous situation or stressful situation. How does that make the person a genius? He pretty much has nothing to do with it. When Obito was facing that guy who would kill him, he got his sharingan. Its not like he chose to fight that guy. It was an unplanned situation. Same thing for Sasuke and Haku. So getting it at an early age doesn't make you a genius. It doesn't make you a genius! Obito was only 13 or 14 when he got his sharingan. It doesn't make him stupid either! Its like calling boys and girls who hit puberty early, more mature than others. Most of those girls are still idiots and most of those guys aren't any more mature than before. Its just something thats happened to tham. When you're stressed or think you're in danger, your sharingan is most likely to come out. Thats all. It doesn't mean you're better or stronger or smarter than anyone else just because you got it early. For all we know, someone broke into sasuke's house and really gave itachi a scare. Or a cat slinks by really quickly, and bam sharingan. Or he was on a mission and nearly died at the hands of some S class ninja. Who cares? It doesn't reflect anything. What's impressive is that by such a young age and so quickly Itachi mastered the sharingan. Even Kakashi says he hasn't fully mastered everything about the regular sharingan.
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2006-11-18, 12:22 | Link #86 | |
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It's impressive he got the sharingan at an early age, it's even more impressive that he mastered it before puberty =/ |
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2006-11-18, 16:07 | Link #87 | |
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2006-11-18, 16:24 | Link #88 | |
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The other alternative is that he used to scare easily. His dad says "Itachi! You broke the lamp! I'm going to tan your behind". Itachi is highly determined to not be hit and bam...sharingan. Or a cat slinks by quickly and scares him and bam...sharingan. From itachi's character today, this is only a very remote possibility, but you never know. As for willing it through training, I don't think thats possible. Quite simply put, it'd be odd if by training enough you could develop and pull out your sharingan. If that were true, it'd be logical that a person could train enough and pull out the MS. Remember your argument is that training develops and pulls out sharingan properties. Yet we know that to gain the MS, you have to kill your friend (in essence you have to accomplish some sort of mental or spiritual change. killing your friend is only the physical representation of that change). This is very similar to gaining the sharingan if you think about it. Obito gained his sharingan when he was finally ready to step up and be a ninja and fight for his friends over himself. The same for sasuke. The parallels between how you gain the sharingan and how you gain the MS sharingan are very similar indeed. With one you commit and accomplish a deed of great honor and bravery symbolic of a positive change within you, and to gain the taboo other, you commit a deed of great evil symbol of the negative change within you. So no I doubt anyone could train enough to develop his sharingan. |
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2006-11-18, 16:48 | Link #89 | ||
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The thought of Itachi's dad approaching with a switch and kid-Itachi's Sharingan suddenly activating did make me chuckle though Quote:
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2006-11-18, 17:38 | Link #90 | |
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The spanking situation was a joke. I see Itachi using the sharingan to dodge the switches! And the dad is all like "as expected of my son!" As for kakashi training the MS. Here's the deal, which is entirely my opinion. He didn't train to get the MS, just like you don't train to get the sharingan. He just copied it. However, you can train to use it better. For example, I'm sure that itachi's genjutu reversal with his sharingan eye is something that comes with training, not naturally*. Or you might train the sharingan copying ability to remember more seals and faster. But the actual gaining of the sharigan doesn't come with training. Perhaps the same is true of the MS. The MS is just the start. Gaining it is one thing, but the use of it (that is developing techniques like Amaterasu, tsukuyomi, and the kakashi's technique) comes with training. If the MS techniques required no training, then Kakashi would have the same technique as Itachi. Instead it seems like the technique you get out of the MS is up to you or depends on who you are. Thats why if and when Sasuke gets the MS (because I already suspect he has), I doubt he'll get amaterasu, tsukuyomi, or kakashi's technique. He'll probably have his own special MS technique which he developed through training. |
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2006-11-18, 20:26 | Link #91 | |
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2006-11-18, 21:27 | Link #92 |
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I know... its tricky and I don't really have an answer to that... I remember kakashi saying that even with his eye he couldn't copy other bloodline limits. It doesn't mean he can't copy other forms of the sharingan. Still its weird and doesn't make a lot of sense. After all, if he could copy it, then we should have expected sasuke to show his MS soon. In fact, I DO expect sasuke to show his MS soon. Anyway, my answer is I have no answer! But for now saying kakashi copied it is the best theory floating around. the other one was something about because kakashi feels he killed his friend obito (through some failure) he was all set for the MS and only had to see it done. But wait! Kakashi didn't feel he killed his friend, and none of that theory really makes sense.
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2006-11-19, 11:11 | Link #93 | |||
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Like I said at this point of time almost all the members of the Uchiha clan were part of the MPF, hence inside the village. Sasuke's father was the head of the MPF and the leader of the Uchiha clan. It's true we don't know how large the Uchiha clan was at this time, we only know that the clan grew smaller than it used to be. But their number is rather irrelevant anyway, slaughtering the Uchiha clan is very impressive simply because Kishimoto presented it that way. Quote:
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2006-11-19, 12:03 | Link #94 | |
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2006-11-19, 20:34 | Link #96 |
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Hmm interesting... now explain again, why Kakashi can't copy say gaara's sand based techniques? Lets say he actually had the sand sitting around en masse. If gaara shows him desert coffin in a training session, can kakashi copy it? Can he copy temari's wind attacks (assume the training session again)? Can he copy shikamaru's shadow bind technique? Can he copy the distinct chakra molding shino uses to manipulate the bugs? Those 4 cover all the bases for the questionable types of techniques that can be copied and none is genetic in nature. Also all but one requires no seals so its simple direct chakra molding. In addition, kakashi has shown he has A rank form and A rank nature manipulation skills so it wouldn't be because of a lack of skill.... You see you said chakra molding and seals is directly copyable which bothers me. The seals is fine, but direct chakra molding is copyable?.. seems to me that the chakra molding would be out of the question seeing as sharingan can't see it all that clearly* (a byakugan user would have an easier time). So hunter please expand on the info from the data book.
*After all, a sharingan user can't even tell the difference between a water clone and a real person most of the time since they often attack them by mistake. Whereas a byakugan user would never make that mistake. Last edited by Suna no tate; 2006-11-19 at 20:45. |
2006-11-19, 22:27 | Link #97 | ||||||
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I don't know if Hunter will be around to answer this, but let me give it a try:
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2006-11-19, 23:50 | Link #98 |
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Hmm... still I refer to chap 316 in the manga. kakashi talked about the real meaning of the kekkai genkai. In essense its special genetics that allow you to manipulate chakra in a special way (exceptional combination of elements). The same can be applied to clan based techniques. Quite simply, clan techniques don't require genes to be successful, but their techniqes are unique enough to where you probably need some sort of special guidance from a clan member to master it. I just don't see kakashi replicating shika's handseal and pulled off a shadow bind. But who knows
The thing with the bunshin is that if the sharingan could see chakra molding really well, they would never mistake a water clone for a person. Kakashi himself said that water clones have about 10th the power of the original. This at least means that there is some sort difference in the chakra make up of a bunshin and a real person. I'm sure a byakugan user could see through that and would never be fooled, but if a sharingan user can't see that basic sort of info, it suggests to me they can't see chakra flow all that well, or all that finely. I'm saying that if you can't look at a water clone and see the unusual chakra and see that its a water clone, its hard to see him seeing the fine mixing of elements and being able to copy it. The sharingan's eyes just isn't that good. Again in 316 kakashi did refer to the difficulty in copying clan based techniques. So I don't know... |
2006-11-20, 00:21 | Link #99 | ||||
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Either way..Im not that good to explain this sort of things...Hunter..its your turn..I should had not butt in here......
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2006-11-20, 05:26 | Link #100 | |
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You think Shadow is an element? lol no, Shadow is no element. It's a special type of chakra as Shikamaru mentioned when facing Tayuya's chakra eating idiot ghosts. And what the hell is a Mitzu Bunshin and Keeki Genkia? |
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