2011-09-26, 10:20 | Link #1161 |
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I believe Vivid is not lacking in plot. Rather, they are developing it slowly. I guess the three seasons of MGLN that is filled with darkness and emo spoil the fan. Some people could not accept sunshine and rainbow after they had been under a rainy sky for too long and get used to it. This is a slice of life manga and we need to accept that. You may say that it is not important to the story like what is happening in Force but we could not ignore its existance as well.
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2011-09-26, 10:53 | Link #1162 |
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If by slowly you mean 'not at all' then yes. There is nothing shown in Vivid to suggest a grander storyline that will have impact on anything (if anything was going to happen, it would have been reflected in Force).
Maybe if there were some mysterious bald guys (or girls in this case) with weird Ms on their foreheads in the tournament we'd have something. As it stands you could completely skip Vivid and not miss anything that would prevent you from understanding the rest of the franchise.
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2011-09-26, 11:00 | Link #1164 |
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Let me put it this way: the events of Force are causing Mid Childan society itself to undergo drastic changes.
Between SSX and before Force, are there any notable changes to the setting and characters? Nope. Meaning anything that happens in Vivid likely won't have any sort of major impact on the franchise. Look at Vivid like Full Metal Panic Fumoffu: it's enjoyable and worth the look, but it has no impact on what is presented in the first season and TSR.
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2011-09-26, 11:07 | Link #1165 | |
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Come on people this is a slice of life, martial arts, sports, fan-service, shounen-ish manga we already knew after a few chapters in. Still thats no reason to just rag on the story.
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2011-09-26, 11:21 | Link #1167 | |
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Everything you say is right. Just a lack of inner conflict is tasteless to me. I mean, although there is slice of life elements in it, until today I have not found the inner conflicts of each main character. What I found was just excitement, but without the pain in inner. Fan-service, okay. But the presentation is too excessive. I see it just felt like eating Larb Leuat Neua (an extrme Thai cuisine. Made from a raw beef doused with gore and a sprinkling of mint leaves).
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2011-09-26, 11:40 | Link #1169 |
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For me, the lack of plot is something I can gloss over. Yeah, I would have preferred some plot, but there's enough to balance it out and keep me reading.
What is threatening more recently is the lack of a goal. In most tournament stories, the characters have a reason for winning the tournament. Vivio has none, and for being the main character... that's quite a big weakness. Like others said, there's nothing at stake. If they lose, they'll pout, get back to training and try again. No, it doesn't need to have the world at stake, but an actual goal would have been nice. |
2011-09-26, 11:46 | Link #1170 |
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I guess the manga made the first mistake by making Einhart too normal. She should have been abused, on wheelchair, orphan, cyborg, and possibly emo. That way people will start to pay more attention. Am I right?
The lack of mad scientist, mass murderer, Squall clone, sadist and cool antagonist make this series worse. Am I right? Worse of all, Vivio did not stand on some random place and scream she felt life is meaningless . Am I right? Speaking of goal in a fighting tournament. Vivio is just like any little girl who wants to join a competition, it is just for fun and test their skills and strength. Nanoha are involved in two major case when she is young. Vivio on the other hand is not involved in anything at all and Force prove this as well. One way to know how strong she is now is by joining a tournament. Last edited by mechdra; 2011-09-26 at 11:58. |
2011-09-26, 12:14 | Link #1171 |
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So give her an actual goal to reach, and motivation to get there and focus on that. Right now, she doesn't even care if she loses before she reaches the finals. Hell, she is even saying that she's not going to get that far. If the main character herself barely even cares whether that she's not going to win, why should the readers?
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2011-09-26, 12:43 | Link #1173 |
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Just because we're critisizing it doesn't mean we think "OMG WORST MANGA EVER!!!" Most of us have said repeatedly what they like about the manga and that they still enjoy it.
Still, it's only fluff. Sure, I like cotton candy and all, but would I rather have a nice juicy steak for dinner? You bet. Adding in dark elements can be a detriment too if done improperly. I've recently looked through the later Jinki:Extend volumes and damn right I'm fucking pissed off about how most of the heroines get graphically raped for no damn good reason, especially when it is completely ignored afterwards. It used to be a mecha comedy for pete's sake.
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2011-09-26, 18:21 | Link #1174 |
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Hey guys, what I said easrlier are just the elements of MGLN of the past and present. These elements can be found in MGLN, MGLN A's, MGLN Strikers and Force.
I am glad that you guys do agree that it is a rainbow filled manga. I guess it is just the dessert of a full course meal. |
2011-09-26, 18:22 | Link #1175 |
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They had a bit of a plot with Einhart at first, but that was wrapped up and there doesn't seem to be much more to it. If they developed that, and ancient belka more, they might have something.
Say there is a deliberate memory that Einhart has from Claus, but it's a half-memory and something is missing. Something that led to Olive's death, and Einhart sees similarities between Vivio and Olive (the desire to protect people so much that one is willing to sacrifice their life for it). She doesn't want Vivio to repeat the same thing, and for whatever reason, she feels like it's going to happen. And the tournament is showing her just how weak she and Vivio are, so she has worries she won't be strong enough, just like Claus was. It could have been set up to show that real injury and death is possible in the tournament, and then toss in some people who don't care how much they may injure their opponent in a match. Perhaps a bit cliche, but this was just off the cuff stuff. I'm sure with a bit more thought, one could come up with a story that has everything we've seen so far *and* a plot. Hell, they could have interspersed this story with flashbacks to Claus and Olive, perhaps mirroring events of back then with the tourney happening today. |
2011-09-26, 19:07 | Link #1177 | ||
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So, let's say we have a soccer manga/anime. There is no plot and nothing interesting because they are not trying to kill each other? Every sports manga ever is boring and has no plot because there is no "real danger"? Seriously now... Quote:
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2011-09-26, 19:45 | Link #1179 | |
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The rest of your post is, like, your opinion man. If you want to randomly flame Force do it elsewhere.
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